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Old 11-02-2007, 10:57 PM CSS Layout
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Hello ladies and gents,

I just recently taught myself the basics of creating a page layout using CSS. Phase 1 complete. My questions is if someone could help me with a particular layout. I saw the source code of a site that had everything that looked like it was aligned left but when it was published it was correctly aligned where it was supposed to go.

Can someone please give me a brief overview or even a short CSS code that would show how that is done? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Sorry but I am not sure exactly what you mean. Do you have some code or links? Or perhaps explain more in-depth?
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<html>
	<head>
		<title>SitecDesign - design studio</title>
		<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1251">
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				<td id="text_big_blue" valign="middle"><b>Sitec</b>Design</td>
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			  <tr>
				<td><img src="images/header_1.jpg" width="185" height="93" border="0"></td>
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			  <tr>
				<td><img src="images/header_8.gif" width="185" height="97" border="0"></td>
				<td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="1" height="1" border="0"></td>
				<td><img src="images/spacer.gif" width="1" height="1" border="0"></td>
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					<td valign="top" align="right"><img src="images/header_so_left.gif" width="78" height="221" border="0"></td>
					<td background="images/header_so_back.gif" width="100%" valign="top" style="padding: 30 15 0 0;">
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				<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%">
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					<td valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFBEE"><img src="images/portfolio_left.gif" width="24" height="226" border="0"></td>
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Specifically something like this.. you'll notice if you put it in code everything is just straight down but when you look at it on the site it looks normal.

The "footer.gif" is in the bottom right hand of the screen but they are still able to put text to the left of that. Dunno how to duplicate that.
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Old 11-03-2007, 12:23 AM Re: CSS Layout
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At the top of the code is this line
<link href="styles/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">

that links to their style sheet
http://www.sitecdesign.com/styles/style.css

The style.css file is where they perform the "alignment".
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Old 11-03-2007, 01:30 AM Re: CSS Layout
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wow....

First off thanks for the help now I can see how they did it.

I can make a basic 3 column layout, that looks like something way over my head. Honestly is it as hard to learn as it looks? I mean they have the footer way up in the main div.
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Old 11-03-2007, 11:13 AM Re: CSS Layout
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Learning is not putting in code and viola! a perfect page. Learning is trial and error and above all debugging.

Learn from examples
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/
http://www.intensivstation.ch/en/templates/
and tutorials. Play with the code and make notes and comments.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:04 PM Re: CSS Layout
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Yes, just open the CSS file with Macromedia Dreamweaver and you'll be able to see all the options available. Just do a little bit of experimentation with the file and you will soon discover how to use the various options to format almost anything in your website that uses style from that CSS file. I did the same and I learned by experimentation.

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Old 11-07-2007, 03:07 PM Re: CSS Layout
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Once you have learned all the nitty-gritty details of manipulating the CSS file, you will find that formatting anything within your website whether it be text or links will be a breeze. Just change that particular style within the CSS file and the changes will be reflected everywhere on your website.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:31 PM Re: CSS Layout
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Thanks fella's,

I've been messing with this for a couple days and it looks like a mess in dreamweaver with everything laying on top of each other but when previewed it actually looks right.

Another question I have now that I'm knee deep into it... My footer. I tried absolute positioning with 0 for bottom and it doesn't seem to work as I hopped. Would anyone be able to shed some light on what I could try?
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Old 11-09-2007, 02:19 PM Re: CSS Layout
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to give you more of an idea of what I'm talking about here is the link in question.

I don't have the CSS linked to an external cause i am pretty much just messing around to try and understand this a little better so please be gentle when criticizing my code lol.

http://www.bbpdesigns.com/clients/bbpdesigns/home.html

the footer at the bottom, I finally almost got it where I want it but then I noticed if you shrink your browser window so far the text actually goes behind the footer.
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Old 11-12-2007, 05:03 PM Re: CSS Layout
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OK,

So I've figured out if i make my footer relative it stays on the bottom, and if I make the content relative, it also stays where I want it... Now the problem is the huge space between the two that I cannot seem to get rid of.

The more I play with this the more I understand it but if I could get some help understanding what I did wrong that would be great.

example of what I'm working on can still be found at http://www.bbpdesigns.com/clients/bbpdesigns/home.html
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Old 11-12-2007, 07:41 PM Re: CSS Layout
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You told it you wanted it to be 100% high.. so it is.

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height: 100%;
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You told it you wanted it to be 100% high.. so it is.
Tried it, doesn't work
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Old 11-13-2007, 07:53 AM Re: CSS Layout
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it looks like to me that the gap is there because the content is taking up just as much space as it would if it were not positioned where i want it.
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That's not it. I haven't figured it out yet, I hate tables and I'm gonna bet that's where the problem lies. I'm trying to figure it out.

If you're going to build websites for a living, you need to learn to get AWAY from tables for layout, they're soooooooo 1995.
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:24 PM Re: CSS Layout
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Yeah, I'm in school now for web development and just recently found out about pure css layouts. When I realized everyone was saying tables were obsolete i got to thinking... They're still teaching us to use tables for layouts in school, to me this will only negatively effect me in the future.

I appreciate the help on trying to correct the problem and I'm trying to use tables less and less. So instead of breaking down an image, would it be more efficient to keep the image whole and just place it in a div tag of it's own?
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Unfortunately this is true all over the US and probably most other countries.

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So instead of breaking down an image, would it be more efficient to keep the image whole and just place it in a div tag of it's own?
Generally, yes. For the big curve you've got, I'd use a div and stick the curve in as a background on the div.
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Unfortunately this is true all over the US and probably most other countries.


Generally, yes. For the big curve you've got, I'd use a div and stick the curve in as a background on the div.
Yeah so my teacher isn't very much help and is saying "i know how to do it but I want you to figure it out"

I am pretty advanced for the class I'm taking but I really have no idea how to solve this. The only thing she told me is that it has to do with white space.

If someone could help me figure this out I would GREATLY appreciate it. My head is about to explode and I'm sure it is something ridiculously easy.

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