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Look at the Featured Video in the right column.

If you visit in FireFox, you can see the video is shifted to the right for some reason. In IE6 it breaks the layout! It forces the right column to the bottom of the page.

BUT...... the EXACT same template is used here and it doesn't do it. What's wrong with mine?

Out of curiosity, why are you worried about IE6? The browser is practically obsolete.

Out of curiosity, why are you worried about IE6? The browser is practically obsolete.

I wish, but not even close. There are huge swaths of corporate workers that still use IE6 on a daily basis, due to web applications that only work in that browser. There are also countless people that haven't updated due to operating systems that won't support IE7, as well as many people who are simply afraid of change.

IE7 represents a greater market share than IE6, but the margin is not that significant.

As I said at the beginning, this is unfortunate. All serious professionals are forced to support IE6.

I don't. I closely monitor browser usage on every web site I do and it is less then 3% on average...If those 3% can't be bother to update, that's their malfunction. It's like recent clients want a fixed width web site, but want to ignore the 5% I see still using 800x600 screens and created based on a 1024x768. They figure why bother with such a small percentage.

You seriously don't support IE6? I think that is a big blunder on your part.

Here is a poll run only a few days ago, based on members of a large internet publication: http://www.jkontherun.com/2008/06/browser-and-dev.html

According to the poll, 27.55% of the Internet Explorer users are running IE6.

Again, an average of 3% of users of web sites I've done use IE6, no where near the % you listed.

How much of that traffic is you and your friends hopping around on them?

Originally Posted by TripleMoons

Again, an average of 3% of users of web sites I've done use IE6, no where near the % you listed.

maybe you have made sites that attract particularly IT/web savvy users?

still i can't imagine most business throwing away a potential 3% of their customers (and profits...

it would be irresponsible to completely ignore ie6, at least make sure the site is reasonably accessible in it

How much of that traffic is you and your friends hopping around on them?

My friends? Do your friends frequently visit web sites created for other companies? Mine certainly don't.
I actually block my IP from showing up in web stats.

maybe you have made sites that attract particularly IT/web savvy users?

No, they aren't particular to IT/Web people...Just people with common sense to update their software. It's not like you get a blank screen or anything in IE6...It just doesn't look like how it should.

I work in a corporate environment, I'm stuck with IE6 until the IT people finally decide to upgrade us all to IE7. I have over 150 web sites on our web server, and our stats show that IE6 users on the OUTSIDE (outside our network) account for about 40% !! I cannot and will not ostracize that large a group of people just because I hate IE6 and believe it should have died a long time ago.

Originally Posted by LadynRed

I work in a corporate environment, I'm stuck with IE6 until the IT people finally decide to upgrade us all to IE7.

My mum actually has that problem where she works. The IT Department has all of the computers locked so you can't upgrade anything or download and install a decent browser. Of course it's a building products testing company, so they don't require a decent web browser since they don't really do much online except email.

Our company has lots of custom-built programs and security is very tightly controlled. Most users (though not our dept) are NOT allowed to install anything for security reasons. They won't upgrade to IE7 because there are so many thin-client applications that (they say) would break under IE7, so the rest of us are stuck with a dinosaur browser. Our dept uses and tests with Firefox, but if I hadn't figured out a workaround to allow us to use FF thru that stinking MS proxy, we wouldn't be using that either. We have ONE test pc in our dept that has IE7 on it.

We're a healthcare company, our security has to be VERY tight to keep people from bringing in spyware and viruses. I have an IT background, 20+ years in IT, so I understand their measures to some degree. This garbage about not upgrading a browser due to legacy software just tells me those developers weren't thinking ahead at all.

According to John Resig of the Jquery project, IE7, although it is far ahead of IE6 in the area of CSS, actually took a slight step backwards in Javascript compatibility, with the exception of a native XML-HTTP request object, which isn't that significant. Why this happened remains a mystery, although it is probably because of patent issues. IE6 actually has slightly better Javascript than IE7, and because of this, applications that were written specifically for its platform sometimes don't function in IE7. Because of this, I do actually understand why some IT companies won't upgrade.

Originally Posted by wayfarer07

According to John Resig of the Jquery project, IE7, although it is far ahead of IE6 in the area of CSS, actually took a slight step backwards in Javascript compatibility, with the exception of a native XML-HTTP request object, which isn't that significant. Why this happened remains a mystery, although it is probably because of patent issues. IE6 actually has slightly better Javascript than IE7, and because of this, applications that were written specifically for its platform sometimes don't function in IE7. Because of this, I do actually understand why some IT companies won't upgrade.

I understand that as well, but there's no excuse to not have a better browser on the computer. You can keep IE6 for the things that require it and use a current browser for everything else. I run three different browsers on my machines for that reason.

i agree but if your machine is locked down by IT policy then there's not much the average user can do

Originally Posted by davemies

i agree but if your machine is locked down by IT policy then there's not much the average user can do

No, but the IT department should know that the browsers installed on these machines are out of date and they should install a decent browser for regular use.

You can keep IE6 for the things that require it and use a current browser for everything else.

True, but most IT departments would never allow the kind of registry hacking that is required to make multiple IE versions run on one computer at the same time. Also, the IE6, when run as a standalone, is imperfect despite the fixes, which, if you need it to run important applications, is unacceptable.

Originally Posted by wayfarer07

True, but most IT departments would never allow the kind of registry hacking that is required to make multiple IE versions run on one computer at the same time.

IE7 isn't the only decent browser out there.

TripleMoons - I work at the Corporate office of a company that is national. We have over 40,000 employees and 17 regional offices that stretch from South Carolina to California. ALL of the computers at the Corporate office and Regional offices have IE6 and we are restricted from downloading any other browser.

No, but the IT department should know that the browsers installed on these machines are out of date and they should install a decent browser for regular use.

We are restricted due to the internal web applications, Stellent and Oracle that in the eyes of IT will not run properly on anything but IE6. The programs mentioned may run fine for some companies on other browsers but with what our needs are.. we have to have IE6 and no upgrade is in sight in the near future. Of the 43,000 or so employees, 8,000 are in the Corporate/Regional offices. Now, with all of the 10 minute breaks and the hour lunch times, why would you create a website that will not display correctly to these users... potential business down the drain and you ARE doing a disservice to your clients.

My two cents worth.