ok ive just tested a site im developing on internet explorer. id been fearing this for a long time.

if you view http://flexdesigns.co.uk/box/adamsons in chrome or safari it shows perfect, but in ie the site is a monstrosity

if you could provide me with assistance and tips/resources to help fix the bugs that would be great. for example getting rounded corners on the boxes. fixing the text shading, fixing the menu, the alignments, font look and whatever other bugs you can spot that would be great

thanks

for example getting rounded corners on the boxes. fixing the text shading,

They are NOT "bugs", just CSS3 properties that are as yet unsupported in Internet Explorer.

Try using CSS3 pIE

well there bugging me . thanks for that it seems very useful.

ive just tried implementing it as documented but it doesn't seem to have worked on a few things :'(

http://flexdesigns.co.uk/box/adamsons/dev

I just find it much simpler to not care about such things and let browsers that are up to date show the features and browsers that aren't don't.

It's not something that is actually within my control so I would rather spend my time wisely on things that I can control.

Kludging something together to gloss over somebody else's problems has never been my idea of useful. So if it isn't seriously broken it doesn't need "fixing",and "missing" shadows or square corners isn't my idea of "broken".

the site has to be uniform across all browsers as much as possible especially IE as unfortunately its used most. if you take a look at the site in IE you will realise how messed up it is.

I would suggest that you start at the w3c validator

the site has to be uniform across all browsers as much as possible especially

Why???

Users of the IE versions that do not support the features will not know that it is designed any differently than what they are seeing.

For purely design features (i.e. rounded corners) I agree with Chris. Although in this case, several elements are rather messed up in IE, hence the validator link. When those errors are corrected the site is most likely viewable in all browsers, and:

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Users of the IE versions that do not support the features will not know that it is designed any differently than what they are seeing.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Why???

Users of the IE versions that do not support the features will not know that it is designed any differently than what they are seeing.

i want them to see the design how it should be shown not a half arsed version because i cant be bothered to fix any design faults in IE. even if they dont know that it shouldn't be the way they are viewing it.

Im validating now but i dont think that will correct a great deal

Thanks

Educate them!!!

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Educate them!!!

its not my job to educate the companies potential customers on anything other than there legal concerns and how the company can help for that is what will bring the clients in and bring the company a return on the investment they are paying me.

bottom line the site looks ugly on IE and if someone views it in my portfolio and it is sloppy then thats a potential sale that will put money in my competitors pocket rather than my own

plus i hate when things are not done right and it would bug the hell out of me

i just need to get the job done right especially in the browser the site will be viewed most.

thanks

Originally Posted by flexdesigns

Im validating now but i dont think that will correct a great deal

So far it have made some serious improvements, at least when I'm viewing it in IE. And the last errors, like an unclosed div and the form that is closed too early will likely stop the blue sidebar from extending longer than it should.

Originally Posted by flexdesigns;

plus i hate when things are not done right and it would bug the hell out of me

For this reason alone, you should make a habit of validating your sites

its not my job to educate the companies potential customers on anything other than there legal concerns and how the company can help for that is what will bring the clients in and bring the company a return on the investment they are paying me.

Then it is your boss who should educate the clients.

Smarter clients = less stupid questions = less developer time wasted trying to fix the unfixable = more profit!

Clients employ or contract out to professionals because they do not know how to do that particular task or project. A smart contractor or professional explains to the clients what cannot be done and why it cannot be done, that way there is no false expectations and no "that's not how I wanted it" when it comes to invoicing time.

It's one thing I have always done with clients and managers is to tell them what is impossible or impractical, and it works both ways, IF you succeed you are a hero, and if you don't, they already know why it hasn't happened.

You guys really have to wise up, the customer is rarely right, you are there and being paid to advise as well as do.

The web world has managed for twenty years without nicely rounded corners without using images, another twelve to eighteen months for IE and M$ to catch up isn't really going to hurt anybody.

If you want it to look the same across all browser, don't use CSS3. There is my 2.5 cents.

Originally Posted by flexdesigns

the site has to be uniform across all browsers as much as possible especially IE as unfortunately its used most. if you take a look at the site in IE you will realise how messed up it is.

First of all you're never going to get uniformity in all browsers. 2nd if IE is used most by your clients then that's one you SHOULD be coding for the most compatibility.

"if you could provide me with assistance and tips/resources to help fix the bugs that would be great. for example getting rounded corners on the boxes. fixing the text shading, fixing the menu, the alignments, font look and whatever other bugs you can spot that would be great"

You want someone to help you with this? I doubt you're going to find someone willing to give you that much of their valuable time. Most of these issues are fixable but you can't just expect someone to devote that much time to a complete stranger. You need to either go to the W3Schools site and find the answers yourself or hire someone to code it properly.

http://www.w3schools.com/html/

i meant more pointing out common differences between ie and other browsers and maybe pointing me to a good article you may have come across regarding this

In no way was i asking someone to do my job for me

So when you said: "if you could provide me with assistance and tips/resources to help fix the bugs that would be great. for example getting rounded corners on the boxes. fixing the text shading, fixing the menu, the alignments, font look and whatever other bugs you can spot that would be great"

you were not asking for help and in fact didn't want someone to look at the site to deteremine "whatever other bugs you can spot" ? Or when you said "if you could provide me with assistance and tips/resources to help fix the bugs" you did not want answers?

I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. I simply pointed out that you're asking a lot and it would require a considerable amount of time for someone to look over your site for more bugs Plus tell you how to fix them. I gave you a link that will point you in the right direction but hey don't thank me - your response was enough.

I thought this was a community where people helped each other with issues related to webdesign among other things.

of course i wanted people to look at the site and see if they could spot any bugs, there are so many different browsers on different os's and platforms, so many different resolutions that it would be an incredible task to complete on my own. so yes i did ask to help spot bugs.

and if they did spot a bug perhaps they may have came across it before, perhaps its something that commonly occurs in the particular browser there using and they have off the head knowledge or a useful resource to help aid in ironing them out.

i was not at any point asking people to dedicate large amounts of time to me

so what are and what are not the things within this forum that you are allowed to ask for assistance with?

thanks