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Old 05-22-2008, 09:43 AM private nameserver help needed
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My web host has set up the private nameservers (eg. ns1.mysite.co.cc and ns2.mysite.co.cc )for me on my reseller hosting account and given me two ip's (eg. 64.18.142.200 and 64.18.142.201 )addresses but I need to set them up with the registrar and I am a little (well a lot confused) The domain is hosted with w*w.co.cc (free domain names by the way) and I can change A, NS, CNAME, and MX records but what do I set for what ?? Can someone explain it to me in really simple terms, I need the domain w*w.mysite.co.cc to work as my site and the nameservers setup for any future clients to use. Many thanks in advance.....steve
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:43 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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A records are the hard writen destinations.
C record are canonical adresses, meaning they point to a A record.
NS are name server adresses. They define the name servers for your zone.
MX are mail server adresses. They define which server handles mail for your zone.

In the end, your zone file should look a bit like this if you use BIND:
( taken from http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...bind-zone.html )
Code:
$ORIGIN example.com
$TTL 86400
@     IN     SOA    dns1.example.com.     hostmaster.example.com. (
                    2001062501 ; serial
                    21600      ; refresh after 6 hours
                    3600       ; retry after 1 hour
                    604800     ; expire after 1 week
                    86400 )    ; minimum TTL of 1 day

      IN     NS     dns1.example.com.
      IN     NS     dns2.example.com.

      IN     MX     10     mail.example.com.
      IN     MX     20     mail2.example.com.

             IN     A       10.0.1.5

server1      IN     A       10.0.1.5
server2      IN     A       10.0.1.7
dns1         IN     A       10.0.1.2
dns2         IN     A       10.0.1.3

ftp          IN     CNAME   server1
mail         IN     CNAME   server1
mail2        IN     CNAME   server2
www          IN     CNAME   server2
Honestly, if you don't know about name server, you will get lost.
I consider myself savvy on the network/sysadmin side and I tried to manage my own name servers, but after pulling my hairs out, I delegated those to my hoster.
It is his job, and he does it good enough for me.
At least way better than I was able to achieve after 1 week of researches and tries.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:50 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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That bit is all done at the hosting end by my host, it is the domain registration I am having problems with at the registrar end, domain name is with www.co.cc where you can change all the records on the domain name but I dont know what to set and I get no replies from them. All i want to do is set the nameservers on my domain name, and I know what you mean about getting lost

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A records are the hard writen destinations.
C record are canonical adresses, meaning they point to a A record.
NS are name server adresses. They define the name servers for your zone.
MX are mail server adresses. They define which server handles mail for your zone.

In the end, your zone file should look a bit like this if you use BIND:
( taken from http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/l...bind-zone.html )
Code:
$ORIGIN example.com
$TTL 86400
@     IN     SOA    dns1.example.com.     hostmaster.example.com. (
                    2001062501 ; serial
                    21600      ; refresh after 6 hours
                    3600       ; retry after 1 hour
                    604800     ; expire after 1 week
                    86400 )    ; minimum TTL of 1 day

      IN     NS     dns1.example.com.
      IN     NS     dns2.example.com.

      IN     MX     10     mail.example.com.
      IN     MX     20     mail2.example.com.

             IN     A       10.0.1.5

server1      IN     A       10.0.1.5
server2      IN     A       10.0.1.7
dns1         IN     A       10.0.1.2
dns2         IN     A       10.0.1.3

ftp          IN     CNAME   server1
mail         IN     CNAME   server1
mail2        IN     CNAME   server2
www          IN     CNAME   server2
Honestly, if you don't know about name server, you will get lost.
I consider myself savvy on the network/sysadmin side and I tried to manage my own name servers, but after pulling my hairs out, I delegated those to my hoster.
It is his job, and he does it good enough for me.
At least way better than I was able to achieve after 1 week of researches and tries.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:43 PM Re: private nameserver help needed
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You need to change the nameserver host records and i dont believe that free domain site allows you to do this.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:34 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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It all depends of your host interface.

With my current registrar, I do:

name: domain without www
type: A
target: The ip of the server

name: www
type: Cname
target: the domain (it points back to the A record we added before)

name: mail
type: MX
target: the domain name, to point it back to the A record

Some times ago, I used pmsdns.org, and in they interface, the "global" keyword was not ".", but "@"

This is what I got back when I query the servers:
For the domain without www:
Code:
 host -v -a webalis.com
Trying "webalis.com"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37643
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;webalis.com.                   IN      ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
webalis.com.            86376   IN      SOA     ns.webalis.com. hostmaster.webalis.com. 53 28800 7200 604800 86400
webalis.com.            86376   IN      MX      10 mail.webalis.com.
webalis.com.            86376   IN      A       193.58.255.251
mail.webalis.com.     85765   IN      CNAME   blade.webalis.com.
blade.webalis.com.   85428   IN      A       193.58.255.251
Received 116 bytes from 62.2.17.60#53 in 23 ms
It's maybe not the best exemple but:
1) I've set blade.webalis.com as the A record
2) I've set webalis.com as another A record
This is historically done. At some time, the main web site was running on a shared hoster.
Since I had a server, I had 2 A record; 1 for the shared hosting, and 1 for the vserver
3) mail.webalis.com is a CNAME pointing to the A record blade.webalis.com
4) The mx is set to that mail.webalis.com CNAME
Forget the SOA, you have no control over it.

And when I query the www.webalis.com:
Code:
host -v -a www.webalis.com
Trying "www.webalis.com"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 25065
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.webalis.com.               IN      ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.webalis.com.        86400   IN      A       193.58.255.251

Received 49 bytes from 62.2.17.60#53 in 262 ms
Which says that www.webalis.com is a A record...
In fact, it's strange.... I thought I've setup a CNAME to either blade.webalis.com or webalis.com.

Anyway, my usual setup is:
1 A record, with the domain alone (or ".", or "@", it depends of your hoster interface) as a base.
1 CNAME to www
1 CNAME to mail
1 MX that point to mail

And then, extend it to your needs.
If you want to create subdomains (I do that for my projects, before hosting them for real) simply add a CNAME record
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Old 05-23-2008, 10:32 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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But the OP wants to use that domain for the nameservers, so your DNS settings with your host mean nothing really. it is the DNS settings settings with your registrar that need changing.
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:09 PM Re: private nameserver help needed
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But the OP wants to use that domain for the nameservers, so your DNS settings with your host mean nothing really. it is the DNS settings settings with your registrar that need changing.
I'm not that sure...
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I am having problems with at the registrar end, domain name is with www.co.cc where you can change all the records on the domain name but I dont know what to set and I get no replies from them.
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Old 05-25-2008, 06:58 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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The registrar may only control which nameserver(s) is/are authoritative for your hostname and the hosting co may or may not control the authoritative nameserver. Or the nameservers could be with a third party.

or any combination or the three.

In this case the nameserver IPs are issued to RackVibe in New Jersey.
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Old 10-30-2008, 11:10 AM Re: private nameserver help needed
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Since you admitted that you're a lot confused even before your post, I suggest you get help from a professional. Of course, you'll have to pay.
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