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Have the gamblers gambled it away?
Old 12-11-2008, 04:32 AM Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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I am interested in whether or not the field of online gambling sites is in big decline. I'm not really interested in going into that field, I've always felt it to be a reprehensible trade right alongside porn and pyramid schemes, but I'm curious because a number of my friends who used to gamble a lot online have stopped, largely because they were high paid sales people in industries like finance and property and all of a sudden they have to stop believing they have a bottomless supply of money.

Are any gambling site owners getting crushed out here? Is there any known decline in gambling site income? From what I've seen a LOT of immoral businesses have been coming under the guillotine these last 12 months, particularly the last 3, but I don't know anything about the actual gambling webmaster world so I have no real idea whether this is just wishful thinking on my part.

And of course when local clients are lost by gambling site owners, there's always an international market, right?

Anyway, I'd love to know what's happening to these guys with their online casinos and other flatulent business models and processes. And if anyone knows the history of the hearsay/rumours that used to go around about Mafia/Las-vegas-casino people paying hackers to close down this unwanted competition, I'd love to know the real facts about that.

Anybody?
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Old 12-11-2008, 05:20 AM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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I'm a poker affiliate marketer and have been studying the industry. My players (people who have signed under me) are playing more this last month.

Traffic to my sites are up, but I m getting less new conversions.
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Old 12-11-2008, 06:23 AM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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so less new trade but more fever amongst the current clients...

a fever leading to a potential burnout?
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Old 12-11-2008, 10:27 AM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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Very judgemental of you..

But, the guys I know in the industry are doing just fine.. Some are even up as more people stay home and play online rather than go out..
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Old 12-12-2008, 04:29 PM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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a number of my friends who used to gamble a lot online have stopped, largely because they were high paid sales people in industries like finance and property and all of a sudden they have to stop believing they have a bottomless supply of money.
There's been some concern that the market rate for a prostitute is falling in San Francisco, in response to the recession. (Also, more people are sadly turning to prostitution, presumably after exhausting all job options that don't put their life in danger!) Why this is troubling is obvious, if you think about public health, but that's beside the point. Gambling, murder, drug sales, and the like, are all driven by market forces.

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And if anyone knows the history of the hearsay/rumours that used to go around about Mafia/Las-vegas-casino people paying hackers to close down this unwanted competition, I'd love to know the real facts about that.
Obviously, I have no first hand knowledge of this. Have you seen Casino? I don't get the impression that the mafia pays unwanted competition to bow out of the industry, at least not in the way you might hope. Instead of "I'll give you money if you do X," I'd worry about "I won't break your hand and then cut your eye out, if you don't do X". I'm sure the movies exaggerate wildly, but, killing people is what the mafia is known for.
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:40 PM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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Ah, but when you read the sicilian masterpieces like the works of Sciascia, you find that concepts like Omerta (the law of silence) are much more what it's about than mad violence! I think that the american evolution of the mafia (they were thrown out of italy by mussolini) is where they turned into such a deadly force of bombers. A lot of sicilian literature and folklore paints the mafia as a protective force, out to prevent the little people being exploited, and then it changes suddenly in the 20th century into a cult of bombing violent nutters who sell drugs and gambling.

Actually Sciascia theorizes that they arrived in Sicily in the 900s, and my own knowledge of history concurs that in that era the Fatimid (Muslim) Empire was sending people as far out from the epicentre (Cairo) as Italy, India, France, Africa... everywhere really. I think that the original mafia may have been created by that Empire and explains why in true romance Dennis Hopper starts all that racial talk which is designed to get Walken to mow him down.

But it's all speculation.

Sciascia suggests that the word mafia comes from the Arabic word "mehfil" - meaning something like a 'gathering' - it contains the notion of "community spirit" - however others theorize, wrongly {sciascia maintains} that it comes from "se mahfler" a french word meaning "to gorge yourself"! (at least i THINK it's a reflexive verb).

Personally I reckon that we are long past the era of closeted batman-type heros. To save the world now you have to be honest and open, otherwise you're just going to make more trouble, one way or other, if only after you die (and someone takes over your "secret" empire).
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:54 PM Re: Have the gamblers gambled it away?
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I have a couple of sites where I promote some casinos and I am doing pretty good these past few months. It might just be because the holiday season and more people are at home and have time to gamble online or I don't know what it is. But I think online gambling sites are not dieing at all.
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