eCommerce Tycoon

**witnesstheday** · 01-07-2009, 07:16 AM

I posted this idea a month ago on a brick-and-mortar-dominated business forum and no one seemed to comprehend it I think - it has no appeal to people who don't understand online business.

The idea is that third party traders of sales/traffic/users could make deals with retailers and other traders of goods and services and give them sales boosts in exchange for profit share. I think our talent is worth that much now.

By profit share I mean a percentage of ownership of the company - not employment - an actual chunk of their company in exchange for our work because we perform HUGE branding, massive longterm customer creation and generally do far more than they ever gave us credit for whilst wasting all the money we made for them, the silly silly silly people.

We need to push for big chunks of the business world in exchange for our co-operation. We pour money at targets. We choose the targets. Sure they advertise to us on affiliate network lists of traders and lure us with deals, but we choose yes or no. Some of them don't get that at all and even use the reject function affiliate networks provide them with! I think M&S may have rejected me... and they've just announced 1000 job losses. Evidence points to ignorance! I've sold about 30k of clothes over time! possibly more.

Oh yeah. I jus double checked. M&S did reject me the silly goons. Don't worry, I have about 80 mainstream fashion traders I make sales for frighteningly regularly. DO people not have enough clothes already? Yikes.

That's my idea - to push for bigger chunks of pay for our service. We're the new banking sector. Money can't be stored in currency, it has to be stored in longterm customerbases We own the road the whole commercial world travels on. Let's tax em like there's no tomorrow. Who knows, maybe there isn't!

**editme** · 01-07-2009, 09:08 AM

Sounds nice, but it creates a lot of overhead in the transaction. While you're negotiating for an ownership stake, there will always be other site owners who will be happy with a sales commission or payment per click, which is just easier to deal with. Why not just take the money you make and buy stock?

**witnesstheday** · 01-07-2009, 01:23 PM

But relatively large operations, say 2 or 3 times the size of the sme's they are buying parts of, can be like investment bankers and pick out the positive growth markets, focus on market leaders, and in terms of longterm growth they are dealing with very big gains. 10s of millions just popping up over time without any real increase to labour or development at our end.

I think our primary targets need to be these markets

property, banking, insurance, broadcasting

in an ideal world, google/youtube would have taken part of viacom by commercial force, the way msn tried to take part of yahoo.

yahoo should take part of news corporation.

Sun should take part of IBM and take the old world by the unmentionables

and people like us should take over the high streets and office blocks, the multitude of services being sold to businesses, the huge swathes of retail products being sold to the world at large - as pc world and curries fall, large scale online organisations should be buying up chunks of them, 10 and 20%, in landmark deals in which the internet commerce sector forcefully takes over considerable management level control of the old world retail mechanisms, so we can clean it all up. they are a mess. their collapse is in part due to unbelievable incompetence. it is widespread. you can't just point at bankers and say they're evil. or stockbrokers. MOST OF THIS SOCIETY is incompetent and greedy and has destroyed the entire economy together in unison. The finger of blame goes out, a scapegoat is found, but the entiree western world and post-colonial asia/arabia has done this to itself. There were so many warnings. Even if 911 was an atrocious evil attack, chomsky's 911 speech (on october 10 or 12 i think) clarifies how we should have handled things, but we didn't. we killed the economy. although maybe i'm excluded. either way, my part of the economy is rising tonight. and i think that after seeing the savagery of our sector by brick-and-mortar, particularly property and financial people, after the "dot com bubble" which is a terrible lie foisted on us all to slow us down (but it had to blow up one day, and it has) - they refused US the liquidity and gave it all to people selling excess. we had efficiency, progress, they had conservatism. we wanted money, we had projects which proved beyond doubt they made money. they told us we didn't qualify. they gave the money to people to buy houses for 100k, 200k, 400k, 1000k, onwards and upwards, loading up property in some magic money-spawning machine, they thought, harry potter in pocket. No maghic. just deceit, stupidity, incompetence, greed. It collapsed, within a finite number of months the job losses in britain alone from the recession will hit 1 million.

**Feydakin** · 01-12-2009, 08:08 PM

We did things like that a long time ago.. I think my old company still owns 30% of a cosmetics company..

The deal really only works with 'new' businesses that are short on capital.. An established business will rarely want to give away a percentage of ownership.. The problem is that a new business has no track record and a questionable future.. I think all in all we did about 25 of these types of deals in the late 90s early 2000/1 and of them all one was a resounding success, a couple did ok, and the rest just ate money and resources until they failed..

As for the rest of your soapbox, well, good luck with that..

**witnesstheday** · 01-13-2009, 01:38 AM

well, right now there is NO doubt that businesses up and down the UK (and probably Usa!) are totally utterly copulated. They are as desperate as "new businesses" and new businesses - just don't exist. People can't start NEW businesses NOW!!!! You'd have to be genuinely mad.

**Feydakin** · 01-13-2009, 10:08 AM

Then I know a lot of mad people because I'm seeing more new businesses now than ever..

A down economy encourages people to try to get out on their own.. Especially people that have had a good idea but didn't want to risk their 'job' by starting out on their own.. Or people filling gaps in markets created by companies that have failed.. Or simply getting involved because it's less expensive to do so now..

A down economy causes a wider separation between the two types of personalities.. A types see opportunity and go after it, and everyone else stays home and worries about it..

**witnesstheday** · 01-13-2009, 10:25 AM

you can't stay in denial forever. i have dozens of friends who used to earn LOADS of money - dozens"? what am i saying, if u include all the goons who ignore me, we're talking 100s - and ALL i hear from EVERY corner of those people... "no one has any money now - we're all losing our jobs - there is no security"

as for businesses on the high street all around me - i see despair and failure

people trying to sell to me - i see them coming up with pathetic new lines, property people saying "despite the big crash, we still have some hot prospects for you"... you know if they're admitting "the big crash", they've already compromised further than froat dibbler would claim to.

face it feydy - you're buffered by pride. jewellery isn't exactly the safest business to be in during the crash, moreover.

but i speak from vast experience of total financial collapse ALL around me - there's no way anyone who believes it's not there is going to get far! open your eyes feyd! there is big trouble all around you. you won't feed your grandchildren with the power of your pride. sure opportunity is important to pursue, but realism is always a good basis for action.

there isn't a friend or relative i have who doesn't themselves have loads of friends who have lost their jobs in the last 40 days. you are kidding yourself if you think this crash isn't going to get about 20 times worse before it starts upward again. get a paper-round. anything. because the times they are achangin!

i admire your stiff upper lip though

**Feydakin** · 01-13-2009, 07:00 PM

Sorry son, jewelry isn't my only business.. Never has been..

I never said that the economy was sunshine and roses, what I said was that there is a lot of opportunity out there, isn't that what you are doing right now?? Taking advantage of an opportunity?? Or are you somehow special and unique in the world?? You go on and on about how terrible things are in one post and then go on and on about how you are going to fund the world with your brilliant business sense..

As I said before, I think you may have issues..

**witnesstheday** · 08:10 PM

Oh I'm not sorry about THAT. I am sorry for always trying to get your goat! It's a bad habit.

Good that you have options. I honestly suspect the jewelry trade of being insufficient to take care of good old Steve! As for your rebuttals, all's fair in love and war. I know that from a surface-perspective there is truth in what you say, but deep down, you'll find there's much more to me than just a few rants! If my words were an integral part of what makes me me, I doubt I'd bandy them about so much - besides, my job is advertising - you can't ever trust my words! Everything I do has some ulterior motive. The only way I can vindicate it is, and I have already started long ago, and will never stop, by giving as much as I can of what I get to people who will never get ANYTHING!

I think our real problem is that you vote right-wing and support israel, i vote left, and support palestine. Let's wait till the war's over before talking politics... while people are dying because the world is divided into israel and palestine, right and left... words are futile, meaningless in fact.

Don't work too hard! i didn't. Most of my achievements were brain-engineered not slave-labour-produced!

I don't think I'm your son. But if it helps I can do a dna test. I think my genes are a mix of arab, indian and a few of the countries in between (well they had to travel from one place to the other, right? I'm sure they didn't do it in a single generation).

I'm definitely aggressive in my strategy for protecting the ecommerce people of the world, from coders to designers, because I have SEEN they have been exploited and trodden under foot for a decade by liquidity-high morons with no talent, no true business sense and absolutely no love of their fellow man. I do intend to assert my personality in order to get a better and better deal for all such people - and I don't intend to let my fierce nature drop when pursuing this cause. I don't know if you're a very tech-literate individual... if you are then my uncompromising stance certainly isn't bad for you!

Technology is the basis for a better world tomorrow - and for 10 years I've watched it get abused and pushed aside, so that the facebooks and the microsoft excels get ALL the usage, and the real things which can change lives and make things better, often don't even exist! Half the forums and blogs and social networks out there are full of talentless IT-ignorant twerps who are just savaging and bastardizing this wondrous field so many good women and men have worked hard to bring as far forward as it has come today.

I stand up for those people, and I will push for a fairer financial situation for all of us who are so hard working and so talented in so many fields which far too many people whose biggest (and usually only) talent is the gift of the gab (so they can't hope to fight me with their only talent!) have little respect for. The I.T. guy isn't getting paid what the sales team get. No one technical gets paid as well as the brainless muthas whose job it is to lie about yet another USP.

I saw a company built by a true guru, then sold off to big sharks against his will by "his mate" the p.r.-job. I've seen how badly even the best techies are treated and I am their messiah, matey! And yes, you're my matey. No dna test required. Ahoy there. Watch out, there's pirates on the starboard side.