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Old 04-07-2010, 06:01 AM santa story: help me please
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Please read this post before continuing: santa story

Please don't take what I'm going say the wrong way. I am very happy for these people and hope that this idea continues to work for them. I have criticisms that I'm going to voice, and they're going to be harsh. But I think I need to speak clearly about my feelings in order that people can post back criticisms of the way I think so I can LEARN from their success story.

Make no mistake - I am posting this so that I can change my way of thinking. The criticisms below are a reflection of my thought processes as I read the santa story, and I realise that I need to change these perspectives if any of my own ideas are going to be successful.

OK, here goes: I think this is the stupidest idea I've heard of. I have no clue how this concept even stayed in anyone's brain longer than 10 seconds before being discarded.

WHO THE HELL pays ten dollars for someone else to print off a letter and post it? These customers obviously have access to a computer, so why on Earth would they not just create a letter and post it to themselves, saving themselves 9.20$ which they could then spend on a present for the child??

Further, the letters aren't even very nice. They are tacky and not even particularly aimed at pleasing the children who will receive them. It's more like they're aimed at the grans and grandpas who would be ignorant enough to use this service. It's even more likely that the couple who instigated this idea are quite old, and didn't even think about what the children would like or who would be buying the letters, but instead just used the first images they came across that *they* thought were cute.

Now, printing and posting 100 letters a day for two months isn't my idea of fun; it must be hard work. But they're earning two times my salary (as a European teacher) for what is basically brain-dead, untrained labour for a stupid, badly executed, poorly thought-out idea. Further, they do it in TWO MONTHS and don't have to put up with a fraction of the bulls**t and stress that I face every day!

And yet my thinking must be flawed, because the d**n thing worked.

I discard several ideas a week that are better than this one. However, whenever I start to examine them, they unravel themselves (especially when I start to throw rough figures around). And for all sorts of reasons, what seemed like a good idea initially, then gets dumped.

So I'm looking for advice, criticism, feedback, anecdotes, empathy, experience. Whatever you've got that can help me learn from this story instead of just feeling resentful and confused.

And if Jinglebells reads this: APOLOGIES for my harsh thought processes. It is not my intention demean you at all. In fact I want to learn whatever skills/perspective you have, that allowed you to succeed with this idea where I would have failed.

Cheers.

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Old 04-07-2010, 06:53 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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Were you never a child and wrote a letter to Santa and threw it up the chimney?
Or posted it to:

Santa Claus
The North Pole

??

Or do you not have young children and seen the anticipation on their faces when they post their letter to Santa.

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It's more like they're aimed at the grans and grandpas who would be ignorant enough to use this service
Of course it is, but not ignorant, simply people who recall and cherish their childhood memories and like to see the same look and share in the joy and fun it brings to kids before real world cynicism sets in.

Fireplaces are in short supply these days, and of course Santa will have moved with the times and has email now, he even has a Gmail account
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Old 04-07-2010, 06:58 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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Have a read at this post as well

Right idea - Right time!!
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:22 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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HA! there is almost an air of jealousy about this thread...!

My first child was born in September and my Mum bought one of these letters (Not from the site mentioned...) for £5 GBP.

When it turned up - to be honest - it was crap!

Standard letter with his name printed at the top!

But... and heres the point... It was his first letter from Santa! now that is a pretty special thing to keep and although my Mum was a feeling a bit ripped of at the low level of detail that went into this "personalised" letter, she was still pleased that she bought it.

Good ideas sometimes are the most basic ideas...!
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:43 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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The idea of sending a santa letter to a child is fine.

My point is that this service provides nothing more than people could do themselves. I can't understand why these 6000 people would not simply create a BETTER santa letter on their own computer (they do have access to one, otherwise they couldn't use the letter service), then printing it off and sending it to the child themselves? Actually, doing a letter yourself even EASIER than ordering one on the website!

There is no difference in the two letters! A six year old child isn't going to look at the postmark. Even if they did, the postmark on the ten dollar letter is still going to reveal that santa actually lives in Alabama!

There is no added value in this idea at all, and I can't understand why 6000 people would do it. Plus, charging 10$ to print and send a letter is outrageous and totally immoral; I'd have charged 2$ plus postage (and then probably discarded the idea for being too much hard work for the income, as well as being conceptually worthless).

Which is why I'm so mad and confused that this idea worked.
I previously made another post questioning my ability to do online business:
morals and scruples

Does anyone else feel immobilised like this?
I'm going through ten ideas a day that are much better than this one.
How do I stop myself from tearing them apart and discarding them?
How do you discern a doable idea from one that isn't?

NB: Rolda, is it possible to ask your mum why she didn't just print her own letter off and post it? What did she think the added value was in ordering one?

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:06 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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Hers was from a magazine article the website ran (had to post a cheque) Shes 75 and has no idea about the internet!

It was just a nice thing for her to do and get sent!

I could wash my car myself (and probably do a better job...) but go to the car wash people instead!

I just have better things to do with my time...
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:32 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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> I could wash my car myself (and probably do a better job...)
> but go to the car wash people instead!

But would you still go to the car wash if doing it at home was easier, cheaper and better? I can't believe there a 6000 people every year in USA who think that using the letter service is in any respect better or more convenient than doing your own.

Anyway, it wasn't my intention to keep attacking the letter service.
Kudos to them if it works and they don't feel bad about disappointing people.

What the thread was really about was MY mindset.
When you've got an idea, is there a proper way to evaluate it? How do you stop yourself from examining all the potential problems until you've decided it's another one for the scrap heap? Is this just me, or does everyone have this problem?

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Old 04-07-2010, 08:36 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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I think if you scrapped a project because of all the problems you may run into - you wouldn't start anything new at all!

Nothing - even printing pre made letters can be completely hassle free!
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:57 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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> I think if you scrapped a project because of all the problems you may
> run into - you wouldn't start anything new at all!

Well, exactly. I have great ideas, until I start figuring out some rough arithmetic regarding outlay, income and time, minimums and maximums, and probabilities, and then it all falls apart.

Is this a big problem that most people encounter?
Is this what stops most people from trying to start their own ventures?
How do you get over that without completely abandoning sense and trying really bad ideas?
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Old 04-07-2010, 11:15 AM Re: santa story: help me please
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Is this what stops most people from trying to start their own ventures
What stops most people starting is the fear of failing.

Which you have just demonstrated is your "problem" too.

While planning ahead is essential, you cannot cover every probability and every "what-if".
Sometimes the "we'll deal with it if it happens" attitude has to prevail, and you need the confidence of your abilities and the courage of your own convictions to push it onwards.
Failure is a setback NOT always a finality, you learn from the mistakes and improve.

An Albert Einstein quote:
"The man who never made a mistake never tried anything new"

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"The man who never made a mistake never made anything"
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Old 04-07-2010, 01:04 PM Re: santa story: help me please
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> What stops most people starting is the fear of failing

You're certainly correct that something is wrong with my approach, but the
word 'fear' doesn't really describe it. However, I don't know what does exactly.

'Annoyed' and 'disappointed' would be the words I'd use if I lost hundreds of hours of time, effort and a small investment, but fear doesn't come into it. I'd be scared if I was risking our life savings or home, but I'm not.

It's the dissection of my ideas that is stopping me. Analysing them to death. I play with spreadsheet figures using an optimistic maximum outcome and get excited. Then I do the same using minimums that I think are realistic, erring on the pessimistic, and end up believing that the idea will never fly.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?

Perhaps a templated business plan would help me to break this cycle? Maybe I have to startup anyway, full in the knowledge that I may well be wasting hundreds of hours of time and energy?

It's like yesterday, someone here asked about monitizing education, and since I'm interested in that field I jotted down some ideas in the forum. These were things that I was mulling over in the back of my mind anyway, and I thought it would be good to 'solidify' them in writing, so to speak.

Anyway, one of them was a directory of local language teachers, paying a one-off fee to get in it. Students would pay a one-off fee for access to the teacher database. This would actually work well in my locality, being a small island where tourism and languages are important. There isn't really a good way for freelance teachers to meet potential students except advertising in shop windows.

So I did the usual pessimistic 'number crunching', and the idea deflated, and then my thoughts turned to how I would prevent conmen, perverts, thieves and murderers from infiltrating the service and hurting other users. Now I know that isn't really even my responsibility, but I'd feel awful if my website caused someone harm. So I thought about how I could vet the users, which is of course unworkable. Scrunch. Scrunch. Weeee... clang. (That was the idea being thrown into the bin).

I'm my own worst enemy!
Does anyone else experience this kind of thing?

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