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I think freelancers should read this.
Old 01-12-2007, 07:16 AM I think freelancers should read this.
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I just wanted to let people know when doing freelancing jobs also make a Agreement before work starts and get the payer to sign it. I have had many freelancing jobs and my last one caused hell. I have also used paypal for payment But...

I have make a website for someone who wanted more and more things done then agreed. But no written agreement was made. Therefore once the website was finished. They made a paypal dispute up saying the website wasn't what they wanted because no agreement was made in writing paypal say the payer was in the right and therefore got the money back.

I managed to keep some of the money but lost alot and they got a website for more less free so people be careful when agreeing to jobs and using paypal. I'm going to look for a new payment provider now because paypal are F**king twats.

Paypal say the buyer is alway in the right, so fair right ???

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Old 01-12-2007, 11:44 PM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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Yes you are right, we should make written agreement and if possible I always prefer escrow payment if I am working on freelancer site.
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:01 AM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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I have no bad experience with my employers. so far so good. But i always upload project after i get payment, otherwise it stay on my hosting server. Once an employer start to demand more work than agreed, then i used to get payment for so far finished work / hours.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:23 AM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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Yes kirtan that is good too ,if you have done script or design. But still in case of data entry and other things its not possible.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:15 PM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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You dont need no writen agreement if even the job is worth 100$ let me tell you why - because you are not going to spend thousands in law fees and saw the guy, although you could warn ppl about him and get him banned from all webmaster forums if you want to wrok with someone, its good to have something writen, yet trust is all you need, and maybe i deposit to strengthen the trust
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Old 01-14-2007, 09:02 AM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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Thanks for the tip man.
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Old 01-14-2007, 03:20 PM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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I'd say, if sites like http://escrow.com takes too much over the value, you could try to use a site like http://www.getafreelancer.com.
They provide an escrow facility, and in case of dispute, they handle it.

But the first rules, in my opinion as a freelancer would be:
1) Keep everything ! In my country (Switzerland), an email is not a prove, but can help you to sustain your case anyway. If your client as agreed to something.

2)Don't send anything to a client before payment! Host the project either on free servers or on your server, and let he review it.
It has saved me a lot of problems. If the customer try to avoid it, I always manage to get a shell access to the server, but it was only with 1 client which I had worked dozens of time.
This has a drawback, that you may need to do the install part on your client server, but again, it's a small disagreement for a big security.

Those rules have saved me from any problems until now. That, and common sense. If I think the client is getting nosy, I ask for 50% to 75% of the payment, depending of the project advancement.
If he disagree, I usually stop to work on it, keeping the sources, thus his investment. The 2 times I had to use this method, the customer forgot about the evolutions, and paid what he had initially asked for.

In the same way, I have many times refused to work for someone who was making too much of "noise" ("I know how long it should take","I've programmed but don't want to anymore","If you can't finish in time, you won't be paid").
I may have missed opportunities, but in the long run, I'm sure I'm better looking for good, solid, recurrent partner that may pay less but are regular than for an high risk one time big bonus.

Sorry for the long post here, but I felt like writing tonight....
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Old 01-16-2007, 05:25 AM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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yes you are right i m freelancer webdesigner & i have a also a bad exprience...
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Old 01-16-2007, 12:58 PM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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First off, I only deal with people upfront that I find I can trust. I don't deal with most people as a result. There are enough customers for me; I don't have to be a beggar instead of a chooser.

Next, I only deal with people who will agree to a contract upfront with deliverables the first time around (subsequent work doesn't require one since they're repeats and preparing that many contracts is BS.)

Third, there are always methods to deal with problem (i.e. non-paying or troublesome) clients. If I make an error in judgement (which happens very rarely), I have a plan B, C and D. I won't outline what those are (since some of them are really nasty and I reserve them for REAL pieces of work), but I do have them.
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Old 01-19-2007, 09:35 PM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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Lets say i'm in america and someone living in the uk wants a designs, how would i go about getting it in writing and knowing if the person is putting his/her real name and other info?
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:48 AM Re: I think freelancers should read this.
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Hi there!!
Yes i agreee dat if u let dnt specify things ppl will always armtwist u into doing their stuf..
do u have a copy of any work agreement as im starting off too here..
Trust me i will b obliged for life for dat...
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