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#161 (permalink)

It's only anti-american because you did NOT bother to read everything.

Certainly is...
That even in 1973 Canadian and Canada were practicing their philosophy of kissing the rear of someone bigger.

Simply stated in another way:
If Canada was in prision.
It would find the biggest guy and work hard at being his b*tch.
(Then later exchange sexuel favours for cigarettes even though it may not smoke.)

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I apologize.
I'm not trying to attack you or single you out.
But there are just so many people that do not bother to read.
And it's a text driven medium !!!

#162 (permalink)

You can't stand for something positive to be said about the US. No one here has described the US as being without fault, far from it. Those of us posting in this thread who are Americans, have been fairly open and admitting of some of our own criticism about the US.

However, the American people have been responsible for a lot of good done around the world. We are often a very caring and giving people. It seems that just about every post you make, in some way or another is spent in criticism of the US. That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion; however you really show your true intentions when you can't even stand by when someone says something positive about the American people.

As far as my not reading enough of your posts, to understand that you are not anti-American...I think I've read quite enough to make my own decision.

#163 (permalink)

"Quite enough"... ie: not everything. My point exactly.

However, if quoting historical facts is anti-american. Then maybe Americans should stop making negative history.

I don't deny there are decent and good things done by the united states.
BUT You're only as noble as your last atrocity.

As I said in another thread...
Even a doctor that might have saved thousands of lives will go to jail if rapes someone.

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For the record...
I admit that I'm anti canada. But I'm a francophone that grew up during a program of eradication...

However, I'm just as bruital on the french, italiens and pretty much everyone.
Facts are facts. Pretending the poop does not stink won't make the smell go away.

#164 (permalink)

No. Thankfully, my point and yours are nothing alike. I'm proud to be an American, and despite our flaws, we are a good people. All your ranting won't change that.

You can hate us all you want. You are wrong and making little quips about, "you are only as noble as your last atrocity," doesn't hold water.

We are a nation of millions. Millions upon millions of kind and generous deeds by one group, are NOT outweighed by the misdeeds of a few others. You would like to group all Americans into one large category and just hate us all. You can't see the collective good we do around the world. If you can't stop for even a second and acknowledge something so simple as the fact that Americans can be very generous, then I'm wasting my time. You are in your own little hate filled world and as I suspect everyone else can already see -there is no point talking to you.

You give the French a bad name.

#165 (permalink)

You know you can claim I'm hating america.

You can claim I'm hating the British.

You can claim I'm attacking the Spanish because they dropped ilegal immigrants in the african desert without food or water.

You can claim I'm anti-french for attacking the fact that people have been shot in Gare nord for not paying the métro faire.
Or the fact that police are in the habit of throwing ilegal immigrants out of appartment windows.
Or the fact that a person without a french name is less likely to get a job interview.
Or the fact the fact that 1 in 3 homless people in France have good jobs and can't get an appartment becaus racism.
Or the fact that police are entering schools and arresting children because they want to use them to get to their parents.
Or the fact that large number of police officers were extorting hookers for sex and then arresting them anyway.
Or the fact that France has been trying to seperate families because the children where born here and not the parents.
Or the fact that 1 in a 100 women who is the victim of rape in this country ever persues the matter because of the "old boy network."

I deal in facts and not feel good emotions.

The only thing I want to ask is what makes America so special that I should cut it some slack when I don't with anything or anyone else. (Including myself)

I hope I'm giving the French a bad name.
Because that means I'm living up to my end of an implied civil contract between citizens and gouvernment.

#166 (permalink)

While it appears your intentions are good, you are far far too synical and you will never get anywhere.

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#167 (permalink)

Do I need to scan in my taux return too ? Anything and everything to be dismissive so you can go back the box.

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OK... One last try

My point is...
has always been...
And always will be...

You have to take responsibilty not only for yourself.
But for your communauté as well.

Acknowledgement of the facts, history, logic and common sense is not negative or anti-anything.

It's like cigarette smoking...

It might feel good to "suck on a fag" but you got to accept that one day you might have a chest of cancer.
Or your children see you smoke and they pick up the habbit. Then one day you live more than your son or daughter because he gets the cancer.

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We live in démocraties. That means gouvernment serves the wishes and desires of the people. And in nations of non-démocraties the people are VERY aware of this fact.

So when Americans tortue people or drop white phosphorus on civilians.
Or when Britain imprisoned over 60,000 people in India.
Or when France killed 500,000, out of a population of around 800,000 during the revolt in the Vendée.

These people believe that citizens of our nations want this things.
And then..
We get problems and things like 9/11... the london bombings... etc

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This is not negative. It is fact and how the world works.
It can take decades and lots of hard work to build a great reputation and be respected.
But this has always 1 incident from being destroyed in moments.

The rest of the world does not watch bob the sponge. Therefore memories are long and cross many generations.

#168 (permalink)

Wow, lots of passion on this thread.

To answer the original question, I don't think it is possible to say right now, as it seems to me that the war is *far from over*.

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