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Old 09-21-2007, 01:13 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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I'm not going to read through the rest of it, but I will speak to the Quebec issue, since there are certain flaws in it that need to be addressed:

First of all, if the rest of Canada hated Quebec, there wouldn't have been a 38-year period that only just ended last year whereby every elected Prime Minister except for one (Joe Clark) came from La Belle Province. Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien, and Martin...all elected, all from Quebec.

Second, the reason Quebec gets treated like a redheaded stepchild is because it acts like a redheaded stepchild. It forms a separatist party, votes it into Federal Opposition in 1993, holds a referendum in 1995 to separate from Canada, then blames the ethnic vote when the referendum motion barely fails?

The 1995 referendum was disgusting, too. If Quebec got to vote on whether or not it should leave, why didn't the rest of Canada get to vote on whether Quebec should stay? Give me a ballot on whether Quebec should leave or not, and I'll vote the way the separatists want me too. I'll even stuff the ballot boxes for them! You want to leave? You want to be independent? I'll hand you the surgical scissors, you cut the cord.

Speaking of biting the hand that feeds it, you've got a problem with the US television signals being dominant? Consider three things:

1) You share a border with Vermont, New York, and Maine.

2) Your primary export customer is the United States.

3) Would you rather have CBC-quality French content playing 24/7 on your TV? That'll be entertaining. Maybe Le Petrol de Coin would be up your alley.

I've got nothing against anyone from Quebec, but this whole separatist movement is just silly. You vote a separatist government into power both provincially and to some degree federally, and yet you can't get your act together and move out? You guys are like the disgruntled civil servant who sits on his/her *** 38 hours out of a 40-hour week complaining about how crappy his/her job is.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:45 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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Where have you been ???
I was waiting for you to show up to this debate.

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First of all, if the rest of Canada hated Quebec, there wouldn't have been a 38-year period that only just ended last year whereby every elected Prime Minister except for one (Joe Clark) came from La Belle Province. Trudeau, Mulroney, Chretien, and Martin...all elected, all from Quebec.
There is one thing that will unify the French and English above the 49th...
Mulrooney was an encul**** But he was also an anglophone and also gained support on the backs of Noranda and Abitibi.
And someone just needs to examine the Gaspesie region to know how that worked out.

As for 38 years of francophones running the country...
It shows how seriously we take our gouvernment. And be thankful.. Because you could be in that mess of Iraq now if it wasn't for a frenchmen.
You have to deal with Americans saying Canada is a socialist hell hole that lets in terrorists because canada isn't there.
But still, you get to say thank you to a francophone for being able to get the last laugh.
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The 1995 referendum was disgusting, too. If Quebec got to vote on whether or not it should leave, why didn't the rest of Canada get to vote on whether Quebec should stay? Give me a ballot on whether Quebec should leave or not, and I'll vote the way the separatists want me too. I'll even stuff the ballot boxes for them! You want to leave? You want to be independent? I'll hand you the surgical scissors, you cut the cord.

I am a memeber of the seperatist party. I remember working very hard on the referendum. And I remember getting to hear some of the "inside comments." One thing each and everyone one of us wanted was to give english Canada the right to vote. We used to laugh and tell jokes about making the Albertians angry so they can kick us out. Would it surprise you to know that several demands from Québec were issued to the Federalist gouvernment that demanded a "national" referendum ?

Kicking Québec out would have solved our problems just as much as leaving. But the federalists don't want that because they know this fact too.

Furthermore when do we get to have a referendum that hasn't been tampered with ? Federalist gouverment has done everything it can to keep the seperatistes down. Just look at what they did after the last vote... SPONSERSHIP SCANDLE.
It is a prime example of how much manipulation Canada does to inside Québec.

Canada would like nothing more than for French Canadiens and Québec to stop being french.

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Speaking of biting the hand that feeds it,
WE ARE NOT DOGS BEGGING FOR SCRAPS AT THE FEET OF OUR MASTER !!!!

If Canada wants to be some sort of domesticated animal that wags its tail and fetches sticks, hoping for a gentil caress...
That is your perogative...

But I am a free person and like the wolf I will not be subdued pet existing for the selfish pleasures of another.


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you've got a problem with the US television signals being dominant? Consider three things:

1) You share a border with Vermont, New York, and Maine.

2) Your primary export customer is the United States.

3) Would you rather have CBC-quality French content playing 24/7 on your TV? That'll be entertaining. Maybe Le Petrol de Coin would be up your alley.

I've got nothing against anyone from Quebec, but this whole separatist movement is just silly. You vote a separatist government into power both provincially and to some degree federally, and yet you can't get your act together and move out? You guys are like the disgruntled civil servant who sits on his/her *** 38 hours out of a 40-hour week complaining about how crappy his/her job is.
You share the borders with the Americans too. They are almost 300 million to your apx 20million and our 10million. We share the same contant. It is hard not to some sort of trade with them.

But there is massive amounts of Talent in Québec ! Why is it that Québec televions shows have to largely be produced in France ?
Why is it that Québec singers dominate a large portion of the France music industry but can't get any bookings at local venues ?

I am a film producer and I can tell you why...
Because I was NOT allowed to produce a purely french show that represented the french canadien culture.
We must produce Francophone-ish stuff that won't compete with the anglophone markets. As I have been told many times..
It is just better for everyone if we just do a good voice over on american DVDs.
To the best of my knowledge there is 1 theatre in Montreal that shows french films.
The rest are american films being shown in english.... We have to wait for the DVDs to hear it in french.

Furthermore that FreeTrade Agreement that Québecois and Canadians hated...
Was in many measure brought in to keep the seperatist movement down.

Québec has many many many times wanted to strengthen our relationships with Europe.
We were talking about what we could do to better our postion within european union back in 1978. (before its current inception)
We wanted to put in a major sea port at Gaspe to facilitate a trajet between Miquelon and on to Europe.

The was seen as possiably being able to destabilize english canada and strengthen Québec's power within confederation.
Although Freetrade was instituted for many reason it was also intended to use the larger american muscle to further our reliance on anglo markets. (Now look at that decision. The euro has power is a diversified market and there 400 million europeans vs broke americans looking for oil.)

This is the typical english canadian argument with all the typical comments.
Stop your complaints you got it good.
Shut up your biting the hand that feeds you.
You got nothing better to do but cause problems.
You don't like it you can leave.... No wait you can NOT do that because you ruin the nation !!!

I tell you what...
Canada claims to be a bilingual country that respects its francophone population...
When is english canada going to be bilingual ?
Because it is certain in Québec you will find far more francophones that can speak your language.
Than you will find anglophones that can speak french.

Québecois will shop at Walmart.
When will you enter a Carefour ?

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Old 09-21-2007, 04:52 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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Your long comments are becoming increasingly boring to read and sometimes don't even make sense.

Go and get your independence. But don't come crying back when the pie has landed the other side up - when Quebec realises it can't support itself alone and when tourists have been put off by your fascist ban on speaking English in public places
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Old 09-21-2007, 05:59 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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Your long comments are becoming increasingly boring to read and sometimes don't even make sense.

Go and get your independence. But don't come crying back when the pie has landed the other side up - when Quebec realises it can't support itself alone and when tourists have been put off by your fascist ban on speaking English in public places
Do you have a thing against reading ? It is hard to imagine a text driven venue and a reluctance to read. But here it exists.

It's amazing how much you can learn if you take the time to read.
It also has the advantage of challenging the learner with new perspectives and thereby ending the hostilty of ignorance.

I'll consider para-phrasing my responses in a youtube clip.
I'll even make certain I keep my viewer's attention by using my special effects CD and make it a scifi.

Whereas it is stated that these are my arguments.
I am, in effect, not arguing.
You are.

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Old 09-21-2007, 06:47 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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Whatever you say. I do not have anything against reading, but when you make huge posts, mostly made up of a boring rant against English people, I lose interest
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:02 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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Whatever you say. I do not have anything against reading, but when you make huge posts, mostly made up of a boring rant against English people, I lose interest
Look I am not trying to be your adversary or put you down.

But this is dialogue and debate... Not a rant against anyone.

A rant would read like this... " The English SUCK.. Their food is bad. And they are lousy.. bla bla bla."

Debate is discussion about issues. Sitting specific examples and facts to support your position.

Par contrast this is what I have gotten from you and many others so far.

"When the pie lands lands on the other side... don't come crying back to us when you suck."

I am sorry but that is a Rant.. That is person looking for an argument...
That is ignorance being defensive.

On the other hand sitting the Freetrade agreement and some of the reasons it was instituted is not a rant. It's dealing in history and not emotions.

Can you see the difference ??
If not ask yourself these questions.

I started a topic about this. No one is forcing you to read it. Even less people are forcing you to respond.
You are NOT Canadian or Québecoise... you know nothing of the current circomstances or the events that lead up to the problems.
But you are aggressive.

I will let you in on a secret. Debate stops being a discussion when you get angry and feel the need to be silence the other person.

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Old 09-21-2007, 07:35 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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So I'm meant to sit back and let you badmouth the English in a predominantly English forum where English is the spoken language?

Please don't say you haven't badmouthed us because you repeatedly dropped insults in the other Iraq thread.

If you want someone to listen to you badmouthing us - TAKE IT TO SOMEONE WHO CARES!
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Old 09-21-2007, 07:53 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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So I'm meant to sit back and let you badmouth the English in a predominantly English forum where English is the spoken language?

Please don't say you haven't badmouthed us because you repeatedly dropped insults in the other Iraq thread.

If you want someone to listen to you badmouthing us - TAKE IT TO SOMEONE WHO CARES!
I haven't bad mouthed anyone. I started a disussion.
ON the other hand....

You saw that I started a controversial topic and entered it determined to make it an argument.

You know I was waiting for Adam (a canadian) to join the conversation. And I suspect he said his piece and left. (Which ironically really sums up the Québec vs Canada problem)

It is funny but to an extent I can respect that...
It is much better than a person that is determined to club someone on the head each time they read something they do not like or disagree with.

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I sincerly hope you were never part of a debat team in school.

Because I get the feeling you would have jumped over the table to strangle
your oponets when you did not like what they had to say.

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I do not expect you to sit back and "take" anything.
I expect you to contribute something to the conversation. Instead of trying to side line this into an argument.

When you sink to accusations and hostility...
The only people you are impressing is the ignorant and narrow minded.
Anyone with an intellect can see it for what it is. And I assure find it far more tiresome than my long winded posts.

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Old 09-21-2007, 08:10 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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I haven't bad mouthed anyone.
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I sincerly hope you were never part of a debat team in school.

Because I get the feeling you would have jumped over the table to strangle
your oponets when you did not like what they had to say.
There we have it again - contradicting yourself in the same post. One minute you're saying you don't badmouth people, the next you're having a go at me!

You tell me not to sit back and take it so I won't!
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Old 09-21-2007, 12:58 PM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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So how about that hockey ??
I think the Nordics have a chance at the cup this year.
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Old 09-21-2007, 01:01 PM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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So how about that hockey ??
I think the Nordics have a chance at the cup this year.
I don't really follow hockey so I don't know.

Are you into it quite a lot then?
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Old 09-21-2007, 06:29 PM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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So how about that hockey ??
I think the Nordics have a chance at the cup this year.
The Pepsi Tim Hortons' Bantam Challenge Quebec City Cup 2008?

And where I've been...well...I've been working.
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Old 09-22-2007, 02:53 AM Re: Québec, France, Anglophones, Africans & politc incorrect.
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The Pepsi Tim Hortons' Bantam Challenge Quebec City Cup 2008?

And where I've been...well...I've been working.
It's been very long time since I have seen game hockey.
I only get the news here. How is things with Monsieur Harper ?
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