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Old 10-18-2007, 01:12 AM What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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Ok, I put a quick Political (Controversial) Design together. What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?

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Old 10-18-2007, 01:41 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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My main thought is we're headed down another path that doesn't seem like it will lead to any good at all.
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:59 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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Just so we are on the same page, here's what the image portrays to me & why i designed it:

George W. Bush's Caption states that " Iran is Posing a threat to the WORLD by exploring nuclear Energy & I intend to do something about it" Bush has expressed his concern that IRAN is Only exploring Nuclear Power for Weapons of mass destruction development. While Khamenei reiterates that the Main reason for the research is for Power Plants and a better way of life for his people.

Putin's Caption states " I think you are over doing it, Even I know better than that!" was on one end humor from some of the past Soviet Governing decisions along with the Fact that U.S. officials have long accused Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons behind the facade of a civil atomic energy program, charges Tehran denies. Putin bluntly disagrees, saying last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.


Khamenei's caption states: " Afghanistan, Iraq, & Now Iran, Am I the only one seeing a pattern here?" A dull stab a humor at the expense of all the middle easterners (& Other supporting countries around the world) that Blame the U.S. for invading without due cause & uncircumstantial proof to back up their claims.

So, now we have 3 views, 3 leaders, & another so called War / invasion on the brink being sought after as we speak.

What are your views on that?
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:17 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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A war with Iran would be most interesting, though I think Mr Bush would not do this because he is already tied in Iraq and Afghanistan and, from a political point of view, it would send him to the bottom in public opinion.

The only thing that war with Iran would bring is more threats, ironically. Seeing how Iran is an Islamic state and has even more religious hardliners, it'd be much more of a challenge than Iraq.

Also from what I've seen it seems that Iran is also doing quite well for itself in the defense department becoming more self sufficient every day.

Militarily Iran could not face the US and its hoes. Though through conflict will breed much greater threats.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:23 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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I dislike Putin. I dislike Bush. I dislike Ahmadinejad.

All 3 of them are in my opinion idiots. Putin wants a 2nd Cold War. Bush is plainly put, of insufficient intelligence to run the most powerful country in the world. Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust-denier and anti-Semitic moron.

All 3 of these people have major faults. That's my opinion.

All 3 countries need new leaders that will seek to bring together their countries rather than separate them into another Cold War scenario, apart from this time even more deadly than before.

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Old 10-18-2007, 08:34 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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(AP) — By his own admission, President Bush has seen his relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin grow chilly.


Bush, who looked Putin in the eye in 2001 and judged the Russian leader "straightforward and trustworthy," offered a new assessment Wednesday. He called Putin "wily" and secretive about his political plans.


The United States had been hopeful about democratic reform in Russia after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, but Bush now says Russia's progress toward democracy has been derailed.


"In terms of whether or not it's possible to reprogram the kind of basic Russian DNA, which is a centralized authority, that's hard to do," Bush said at a White House news conference Wednesday.


Bush believed he had a strong ally in Putin after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. But relations between the former Cold War foes are increasingly cool amid U.S. criticism of the Kremlin for rolling back on democracy and Moscow's criticism of U.S. plans to deploy missile defense sites in Europe close to its western borders.


He insists that he and Putin can agree to disagree, but their relations keep hitting snags.


This week, Putin irritated Washington by traveling to Tehran to meet with Bush nemesis, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. It was the first visit by a Kremlin leader to Iran since Josef Stalin attended a 1943 summit with Winston Churchill and Franklin D. Roosevelt.


U.S. officials have long accused Iran of trying to develop nuclear weapons behind the facade of a civil atomic energy program, charges Tehran denies. Putin bluntly disagrees, saying last week that he saw no "objective data" to prove Western claims that Iran is seeking nuclear weapons.
Bush needs Russia's support to push for the third set of sanctions against Iran. Russia and China, another key ally of Iran, grudgingly approved two previous sets, but the Kremlin has bristled at harsher measures. The Iranians "are not afraid (of new sanctions), believe me," Putin said in Tehran.


Bush said Putin understands it's in the world's interest to make sure that Iran does not have the capacity to make a nuclear weapon. "If he wasn't concerned about it, then why did we have such good progress at the United Nations in round one and round two?" Bush asked.
The president said he'd seen front-page news photographs that depicted Putin and Ahmadinejad as friends, but was awaiting a personal readout from Putin on his meeting.


"The thing I'm interested in is whether or not he continues to harbor the same concerns that I do. And I say 'continues' because when we were in Australia, he reconfirmed to me ... he recognized it's not in the world's interest for Iran to have the capacity to make a nuclear weapon," Bush said. "And they have been very supportive in the United Nations, and we're working with them on a potential third resolution."


The Bush administration also is wary of the political situation in Russia.
Putin, who is immensely popular, has said he would step down at the end of his second term, and is expected to give his blessing to a favored successor. But last month, Putin abruptly announced he would lead the main pro-Kremlin party's ticket in December parliamentary elections and could later take the prime minister's job. That scenario could allow him to remain at the helm and eclipse a weaker president.


Sen. John McCain, a candidate for the GOP presidential nomination, said Putin's ideas about democracy should bar him from the next meeting of the G-8 coalition of western nations. McCain said the G-8 was founded on fundamental economic and democratic principles and that Russia no longer meets the qualifications for G-8 membership.


Playing off Bush's claim to have looked into Putin's soul, McCain said this week: "I looked into Mr. Putin's eyes and I saw three things: a K and a G and a B." It was a reference to Putin's career in his country's intelligence agency.


"Pretty good line," Bush quipped.


Later Bush said he tried in Australia to get the Russian leader to tell him who was going to succeed him.


"He was wily," Bush said. "He wouldn't tip his hand."

I think No matter WHAT Putin has to say, this War on IRAN WILL happen.....
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:37 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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Well....

I dislike Putin. I dislike Bush. I dislike Ahmadinejad.

All 3 of them are in my opinion idiots. Putin wants a 2nd Cold War. Bush is plainly put, of insufficient intelligence to run the most powerful country in the world. Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust-denier and anti-Semitic moron.
Cannot blame Ahmadinejad for his personal beliefs but how he brings it into politics is bad (on a worldwide scale but not in his home country and among hardliner Islamists) because the Holocausts puts sympathy on Israel, which they believe (and actually) was built on land whos right was the Palestinians.

Bush is a mistake in American history.

Putin - 2nd Cold War! Awesomeness! At least this guy has balls. It is time that the US wasn't the spotlight of the world anymore.

Ahmadinejad and Putin actually stand up to the US and have balls, I admire that. Furthermore, you have to applaud that Ahmadinejad did that conference at the USA University - would Bush do that for the Iranians? Ahmadinejad even had quite hard insults and long-winded anti statements against him which he even had good come back to.
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Old 10-18-2007, 08:45 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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No Bush wouldn't have done that because Bush would have been shot dead before he'd even got to the stand. That's how extreme things have become there.

I wouldn't say a 2nd Cold War was "awesomeness" either - we're one of the Western countries that will be under attack. It will lead to a less stable world and even more death, destruction and war.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:02 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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No Bush wouldn't have done that because Bush would have been shot dead before he'd even got to the stand. That's how extreme things have become there.
And what about the television debate that Ahmadinejad challenged Bush to? Bush didn't even respond... Signs of a wimp.

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I wouldn't say a 2nd Cold War was "awesomeness" either - we're one of the Western countries that will be under attack. It will lead to a less stable world and even more death, destruction and war.
You reep what you sow. That's because we've been suck-ups to the US because of Blair and Bush's relationship of the closest thing you'll get to political sex
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:11 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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And what about the television debate that Ahmadinejad challenged Bush to? Bush didn't even respond... Signs of a wimp.
Umm, "A wimp" is a bit Extreme seeing that he has the Most technologically advanced military power in the world backing him up. I doubt he was afraid. Maybe prepping so he can approach one more intellectually later with the help of his advisor's & script writers, but not afraid..
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:13 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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wow crazy topic first thing in the morning. I literally can't believe with communications and technology we just aren't getting along better. We can now communicate with each other in so many different ways it's sad the only people are fighting is our governments and it's not even us. We sit here and get along great inside many major forums talk socially and never argue that much anyways. I really don't think the war is about the people anymore I think it's about the government, money and this isn't fair to us. We need to speak out, get heard somehow because there's no reason we all can't get along.

Were really a small world if you think about it!
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:15 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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Umm, "A wimp" is a bit Extreme seeing that he has the Most technologically advanced military power in the world backing him up. I doubt he was afraid. Maybe prepping so he can approach one more intellectually later with the help of his advisor's & script writers, but not afraid..
I'm not saying wimp in terms of what his countries capable of, but a wimp outside of his standard scripted appearances.

I'd bet he wouldn't stand a chance intellectually in a broadcasted debate. Look how well he handled this Irish interview.
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wow crazy topic first thing in the morning. I literally can't believe with communications and technology we just aren't getting along better. We can now communicate with each other in so many different ways it's sad the only people are fighting is our governments and it's not even us. We sit here and get along great inside many major forums talk socially and never argue that much anyways. I really don't think the war is about the people anymore I think it's about the government, money and this isn't fair to us. We need to speak out, get heard somehow because there's no reason we all can't get along.

Were really a small world if you think about it!
I've always seen the same patterns throughout history - Divide / Conquer / Expand -


Not to mention that War also creates = Economic Flux / Population control / Resource procurement for a highly technological society in need of constant Fuels in order to sustain such a lifestyle we have all come to enjoy.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:19 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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I've always seen the same patterns throughout history - Divide / Conquer / Expand -
Will they fall like the rest or will they succeed in a one world government?
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:24 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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I'm not saying wimp in terms of what his countries capable of, but a wimp outside of his standard scripted appearances.

I'd bet he wouldn't stand a chance intellectually in a broadcasted debate. Look how well he handled this Irish interview.
Well, I do have to agree that the majority of a politicians debatable essence is accredited to their script writers.

I still remember John Kerry in Bushes Live debate for presidency asking bush about his vested interests in a Wood Mill, Bush quickly denied it & blatantly spouted out "Anyone want some wood" in a joking manor to try & swede the viewers. later (After he was elected) a reporter uncovered that bush Owned 51% of the stock in that wood mill (a vested interest in my book)..

All politicians have lied about something sometime though, I suppose it's all come to supporting the ones that either hid it good enough not to be found out (YET) or have a publicly known smaller white lie compared to a more impacting one.

Either way, I'm sure Bush will have something to say when his scripts are ready!
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:38 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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I'm not trying to stick up for Bush - I think he's generally just dull/thick whatever you want to call him (except intelligent!)

As for those who say we suck up to the US, maybe we do a bit too much, but I'd prefer to be with the USA and direct them, rather than with the bureaucratic E.U. which constantly works to increase it's own power further. We need to learn in both situations to say "no" when we mean no though
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I'm not trying to stick up for Bush - I think he's generally just dull/thick whatever you want to call him (except intelligent!)

As for those who say we suck up to the US, maybe we do a bit too much, but I'd prefer to be with the USA and direct them, rather than with the bureaucratic E.U. which constantly works to increase it's own power further. We need to learn in both situations to say "no" when we mean no though
I prefer the EU because it is us, EUROPE. I think the E.U. also more legitimate and more suitable. I like their anti-capital punishment stance etc

US practices capital punishment, admits torture (in sublime) (e.g abu ghraib, guantanamo, secret CIA bases, abductions)
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:47 AM Re: What are your thoughts on the Iran / Russia / U.S. matter?
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I'm not keen on their obsession with controlling all their members though - forget some stupid constitution or other treaties (which are nearly the same anyway), focus on the real issues like poverty in and outside of the EU. That should be their focus, rather than wasting billions of pounds on paperwork and administration
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My conclusion of thought on politics and such are that alot of what comes out of modern politics is just words and nothing more.

Humanity should be focused on the bettering of humanity. What is the productivity of religious divide and fanaticism? What is the productivity of political wars? We should be focused on health, medicine, science, and fixing the issues in the world such as poverty.

If our governments invested the money into the more important things that help humanity such as those stated above, where would we be now? Everyone would be better off.

It seems only war and threats make our government move. Why have we not been back to the moon and continued the work of the 1960's? Why was it that the cold war and space race was the trigger of major space scientific research and advancement?
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