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Not all Americans do that, but this is generally a "sue" happy nation. There are groups trying to fight that, but there's probably more lawyers and people suing over anything that it's still going on.

Though that might be a description of a few people, I think that is a gross misrepresentation of the majority of people following the guidelines of the Bible. I've never been to any church that has taught the sex is only for procreation. But I haven't been to every type of church. (The flaw in my argument.)

In just my opinion, it seems that the rest of your argument is just a slam against people that don't agree with (for lack of a better term) "free" sex.

That was a little off the subject, but I agree that porn should not be in the workplace. If you're paid to work, you should be working. However, when there is a break and you have time to do whatever, then I think someone looking or reading whatever they want should be able to. The stipulation that I would put on that is don't force what you're reading on someone else. If it's offensive to someone, keep it to yourself.

BTW, it was a manufacturing plant, and when downtime occurred, if a person wasn't needed for some work, then they could do pretty much what they wanted (even though reading of any outside material was against the rules). It wasn't enforced until someone would object, and there were those that would object just because they could.

Where I used to work, we had security measures on the computers. They didn't keep people from porn or whatever might be considered an objectionable web site, but it did record where they went. Since it was a "work" computer and company owned, the company can impose whatever standard they wanted with their equipment. So misuse could get one fired.

If I owned the company, my puritanical beliefs (as NOT expressed above) would dictate how my company's property would be used.

Dave

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#23 (permalink)

Again, we‘re taking porn subject to the extreme.

What if your employee is reading Times Magazine or Comics Book or Bible,
are you going to fire him/her for that too? Does it matter what someone is reading?

If the answer is yes, then don’t be surprised if you get subpoena in your next
mail because you had violated his right to spend his 15 minutes coffee break
the way he want it.


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#24 (permalink)

I had a friend who worked 3rd shift as an IT guy, sort of a general fix anything that comes up job. They really didn't have much for the guy to do most nights, but they needed him there in case anything came up. So he'd play video games all night through his shift. When a problem came up he'd leave without even saving his place, so everybody saw it as acceptable.

One day he had to cover someone and work the day shift. It was going slowly, so he put up his feet and broke out Halo, or whatever, and when a manager walked by, he got fired.

(This doesn't further anybody's argument, it's just an interesting story especially when we talk about break time.)

The courts are saying more and more that employers have the right to do what you described. And that people don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy for things they do during time they sold to their employer.

Also it shouldn't be your puritanical beliefs that dictate, it should be the fact that you own the property. Seriously how much does a virus cost in lost productivity to clean up? I'd guess a lot. It's one thing to dork up your home computer but another thing to jeopardize a whole network.

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No, not porn to the extreme. Re-read this part:
BTW, I just added my puritanical beliefs because I've been called that. My beliefs are alot different than some may think and may be alot different than the mainstream "church" attendee today. There was a little sarcasm in that statement and I should have noted it as such!

Dave

P.S. I think this is a great place to have discussions because the majority can do it civilly! Thanks to everyone!

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The part of post that you had quoted was posted at the same time with your and was a general response to some previews post

Just think for a moment and consider the fact that in some Muslim countries where women must wear burka or head dress that cover half of her face innocent picture of eyes, nose and lips called by clerics porno too.

So we are talking in here Apples and Oranges when we compare Sex with Porn. In my post I am making clear distinction between two and snow how one subject is different from another.

I’ll give you an example.
Lets forget about Sex (not in my lifetime) and Porn for a second and talk about cars.

Lets replace Porn publications with Automotive Magazines, Car Poster and TV Commercials etc. who are explicitly glorify Cars forms and shapes, mind bagging base/clear colors, 500HP Turbo Charged Engine, Slickest 22 inches set of Rims (car lowers, should I continue) and because I cannot afford to buy one of them, I turn my frustration and start blaming the Car Factories for building something I can’t have it.


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Are you calling my wife fat?

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I promise, I will never do this again




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#29 (permalink)

Cars are not offensive.. don't you know that Americans LOVE their cars ??? Although I did find cars like The THING, the Pacer, and the Gremlin to be offensive.. LOL

Sex is extremely personal, it hits on things that people only do behind closed doors (well.. most of us anyway) - and in this country, it has the power to offend way too many uptight, prudish people who like to believe that sex is dirty, that the human form is an atrocity to look at and should be hidden away.

It's cultural, it's based in centuries of religious teachings, and there will always be people who take any religion's teachings to the extreme.

As for companies being scared silly over lawsuits - I used to work for a company who was forced to hire back this woman who had brought a sexual harassment suit against some manager. Despite the fact that the woman was a totally useless and ineffective employee, they refused to FIRE her butt - afraid they'd be sued - again.

We are a litigious nation, no question about it. It's out of hand.. and in a lot of cases its a waste of taxpayer money and the time spent in the courts to carry on those cases.

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If I understand that correctly, yes I quoted my own previous post to show that I was not taking porn to the extreme.

Is that to say that it's only religious people that call depictions of sex porn? I don't think that's necessarily true though.

I definitely agree with that. Although, could you have porn if there was no sex? It would be just like you couldn't have a disgruntled person that couldn't have that great car without there being a great car. The car and lusting after the car are apples and oranges, but you can't have the later without the prior.

I do agree that there are frustrated and disgruntled people in this world that try to make all things difficult. I do NOT believe that all this frustration is caused by religion (that might be another topic though it seems to be mentioned alot), nor are the frustrated the vast majority. I think I made my meaning clear, but I might not have.

I guess everyone would have to decide for themselves what porn would be. One group of people may define it one way and another group another way. I would think that even the most liberal of people (not meant as an insult), or maybe I should say "open" still have some definition of porn. So whatever your definition of it, is it acceptable in the workplace?

My answer to that question would be that whatever the workplace has deemed inappropriate, for whatever reason they deemed it that way, then it has no place there.

Like I mentioned, my old workplace said there was to be "no outside reading material" which meant that you were only supposed to read company manuals and materials. One was not to read a newspaper, a Bible, magazines, books, porn, whatever. Porn started making a difference in THAT workplace when it was opened up more to both sexes. That's not to blame females, sometimes it was a male thinking he knew what a female might think.

Even at that, they let people read whatever they wanted as long as someone else didn't object. The objections usually only came when there were pictures.

BTW, we also had people playing a lot of games on their computer. It really didn't matter until it affected their job performance. And Adam had a good comment, too. Access to the internet was not frowned upon until there was malware or viruses to get rid of.


Just a question, but do you think that people that are not prudish (prudish defined by thinking sex is dirty and the body ugly) can also be offended that something that is personal is publicized?

And there are always extremists!

Dave

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#31 (permalink)

Exactly my point

But what if poor people, (and we know there is more of them than rich people) who can’t afford sparkling new car get offended by its shines and decide that glamorization and depiction of Cars by Car Magazines etc. is shameless finger pointing at their misfortunate lives and push the Government to make laws that will declare Cars publications tasteless just because some people say so.

Ya, Ya, I know you’re saying “don’t confuse something that God put in between your legs with bowling balls” because no one ever will be offended by car and government never will constitute such a law because it’s stupid and doesn’t make any sense and that would be exactly my point.

The subject in here is irrelevant because porn or car or you name it will always offend, frustrate or irritate someone, somehow and somewhere in our Society. I am talking about people who want the rest of us: to see what they see, to do what they do, to say what they say and in general: they know what is good for us and we should be thankful to them for showing to us how we should live our lives.

Dave
I agree that the workplace should be 9 to 5 company time and that there is no excuse what you are reading Bible or Playboy. Where I am disagree with you is when I cut. Specifically the punishment that applied depending on what I am reading Playboy or Bible


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