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**Learning Newbie** · 10-25-2007, 02:46 PM

I know that even as we head into the end of 2007, well into the New Mellinium, there are still those who believe "the moon" exists. I used to be one of them as a child. Anyone who reads this thread with an open mind will be forced to realize that there is no moon, it's all a giant propaganda hoax. Perhaps the greatest ever perpetrated on mankind, although the "Astronomically Correct" crowd will surely disagree.

Put aside the apparent overwhelming consensus of scientists who believe the moon exists. Even if they didn't have an agenda (which clearly they do) this type of unanimous agreement should raise suspicions, as should the lack of serious debate. Let's look at the "facts" as they've been told to us

You can see the moon. But do you know what you're looking at without expert "astronomers" to decipher for you? It could be a balloon with a bad paint job. Or a hologram projected by various governments. (Just think of how effective our "moon" propaganda was against the Soviets!) Eye witnesses even claim to have walked on the moon, but 100 % of them were paid very well for their services.
History. There is no mention of the moon in the English language until 1066. It's interesting that in Romeo and Juliet is a passage saying not to swear by the moon because it is unreliable, but there is still doubt whether Shakespeare existed. (Perhaps he was an invention of the Lunarists?) In any case, since 1066 AD, the literature is open to interpretation, but no one has specifically mentioned a celestial object 2,160 miles in diameter, 240,000 miles away from the earth. Not one. The moon makes animals uneasy - if it truly existed since the dawn of time they would have got used to it. Evolutionarily even. The Hebrew Bible talks of the lesser light, eg the stars, and "the moon" is an allegory for femininity.
False Claims Retracted. Science used to believe the moon controlled peoples minds and turned them mad. Science used to believe the moon was made of cheese, they used to believe a man was trapped inside, and now they tell us it's made of rock. Which is it, science? As Deniers prove such claims, like that of Sir John Herschel in 1867 who saw bats flying around the moon, to be absurd, the establishment creates new convenient explanations.
The Tides - Try It. Science tells us an object 1/4 million miles away can lift the oceans to make the tides. I filled my bathtub with water and moved a tennis ball around, 1 foot over it. The water didn't even move a little, and this is much closer than they tell us "the moon" is. Try it yourself. Common sense - the clouds are even closer to "the moon" and weigh less than the ocean. If the moon can lift the mighty Pacific, the clouds should go flying off into space toward it.
Isaac Newton. Even as a tool of the Lunarist conspiracy who created elaborate formulas to gloss over the craziness of the idea, Newton's work doesn't stand up to close examination against the moon. Newton himself wrote F = GMm/r2 which demands a circular orbit, not an elliptical one. Something as heavy as the moon is claimed to be when caught in the earth's gravity would come crashing down. Even satellites can't stay in orbit, and they're fueled.
You can see it in the daytime. The stars shine their own light and the sun overpowers them. If the moon were truly a celestial object, it would only be visible by night, just like the stars and planets. If something that can be called "the moon" exists, it must exist within our atmosphere just like the clouds that come out by day.
Reward Unclaimed. The Mad Revisionist has offered a $100,000 cash reward for anyone who can prove the moon's existence. It has so far gone unclaimed.

Do you think it's a coincidence that the female reproductive cycle is perfectly timed with "the moon"? What better way for men to control sexuality! Centrifugal force is claimed to cancel gravity and hold the moon up, but university texts call it a fictitious force. The Bible doesn't even mention a 74,000,000,000,000,000,000 ton object in the sky!

I'm sure at this point you'll agree that "the moon" is an evil hoax created to keep mankind in check, passed along down the generations by secret governments and the new world order. Further I've proven that science is completely untrustworthy, that people in white lab coats spend their days dreaming up new ways to fool us. NASA may well be the lair of The Beast!

**Cheshire_cat** · 10-25-2007, 03:05 PM

Sometimes I cannot tell when you are joking or for real.

**CSS4Life** · 10-25-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

Sometimes I cannot tell when you are joking or for real.

I agree. If this is legitimate, then why would you find it so hard to not believe in the possibility of a global warming hoax and the "consensus" of scientists.

Not to mention that there is a huge amount of evidence in historical cultures that the moon has existed long before we have had sufficient technology to create a global hoax in the sky.

I've probably just wasted my breath here. Otherwise, you've been smoking a bit too much wacky backy this time...Lol

**fastreplies** · 10-25-2007, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

Sometimes I cannot tell when you are joking or for real.

What he is doing, is taking fact and trying to prove that by applying twisted
logic to something that is obvious might be nothing more than an illusion.

Nice try Newbie, I like it

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**Learning Newbie** · 10-25-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by whym

I agree. If this is legitimate, then why would you find it so hard to not believe in the possibility of a global warming hoax and the "consensus" of scientists.

Ahhh, Whym saw the connection, and said it better than I could have myself!

Ahem. No one actually saw these ancient cultures worship the so called "moon", we're only guessing based on the scientific record.

**angele803** · 10-25-2007, 03:39 PM

The footage of Neil Armstrong walking on the moon looks totally fake.

And Global Warming IS a hoax....its freezing outside today.

**jamestl2** · 10-25-2007, 03:47 PM

This is almost as bad as some of the people over on those "flat-earth" forums:
http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php

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Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

I Do you think it's a coincidence that the female reproductive cycle is perfectly timed with "the moon"? What better way for men to control sexuality!

I like this theory

**Learning Newbie** · 10-25-2007, 04:00 PM

I guess it's possible the Earth is flat. I mean, evidence of it's spherical shape depends on the moon hoax, right? That's quite the interesting observation, James! I suppose this warrents further investigation?

**serandfae** · 10-25-2007, 04:01 PM

The Visigoths are coming over the seventh hill, hide the books!!!

**jamestl2** · 10-25-2007, 04:05 PM

Yes, according to them, the Earth is shaped like a discus. The North Pole is the Center of the Earth, and the continent of Antarctica doesn't really exist, Antarctica is really a 500 foot "ice wall" surrounding the planet. Some of them even use the Bible as evidence.

**Douglife** · 10-25-2007, 04:37 PM

Serandfae, your site rules.

On to the topic. I think, that if the moon was fake, we'd have alot more about it than just some forum information. Its quite complicated when it comes to government, and social idealism, as you get the run around, and never get a full answer. I enjoyed this read, and also the "Flat Earth" Society, HA!

**fastreplies** · 10-25-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jamestl2

Some of them even use the Bible as evidence.

Wait a minute, wait a minute....

Are you saying that the Bible is wrong?
Please don't tell me that this is what you are saying, pleeeeeeeeeeease don't

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**CSS4Life** · 10-25-2007, 05:57 PM

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've heard. Holocaust denial, 9/11 and some other trash - but this seems to beat all of that! This is ridiculous!

**serandfae** · 10-25-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Douglife

Serandfae, your site rules.

Unexpected, but thank you.

Back to the topic, and a funny one at that--gotta give you credit there, Newbie--I wonder if those reading here might explain to me the tides?

**jamestl2** · 10-25-2007, 06:24 PM

Here are some snippets taken from their FAQ:

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Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A1: The Ice Wall is really a mountain range. It just happens to be covered in ice and snow.

A2: Global Warming doesn't happen. It and its counter-theory (Global Cooling) are effects that cancel each other out. Remember, these "greenhouse gasses" can reflect heat back out into space as well as keep it on Earth. Yes, there are recorded rises in temperature, but the only records we have go back, at most, around 150 years. This is very likely an occurrence that happens every [x>150] years, that's happened before (perhaps many times), and that the Earth has thus survived before.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A: You would enter an inertial reference frame, moving at a constant velocity in the direction the Earth was moving before you jumped. The Earth would continue accelerating upwards past you at a rate of 1g, so it would appear to you that you were falling into space.

Q: "If the Earth was indeed a flat disc, wouldn't the whole planet crunch up into itself and eventually transform into a ball?"

A1: If the Earth generated a gravitational field, yes, it would eventually happen, after a billion years maybe. FE assumes that the Earth does not generate a gravitational field. What we know as 'gravity' is provided by the acceleration of the earth.

A2: There is a counter-mass which pulls the Earth back into a disc shape.

Related to the moon:

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Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses"

(Possible A) The moon isn't a spotlight; it glows with light from the sun, reflected off the Earth. Different parts of the Earth are more reflective than others (the seas, the polar cap, the ice wall, for example). Sometimes, the position of the sun (which is a spotlight) means that only very low-reflective or non-reflective parts of the Earth's surface are illuminated, so the moon is abnormally dark. This could potentially explain lunar phases as well.

Q: "What about tides?"

A: The tides exist due to a slight see-saw effect on the earth. As it goes back and forth, the water rushes to the side that is lower. Note, this is a very slight wobble. Remember, these wobbles are created by very minor earthquakes. They keep the tides in check. Notice that large earthquakes result in large tides or "tsunami".

**CSS4Life** · 10-25-2007, 06:33 PM

This is just absurd. Is this site for real or what?!

**jamestl2** · 10-25-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whym

This is just absurd. Is this site for real or what?!

That's actually the first question of their FAQ:

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Q: "Is this site for real?"

A: This site is real. There are people who seriously believe the Earth is flat. However, there are also people on this site who do not.

Some people over there believe it because of Religious Reasons (Biblical Literacy), others believe they have scientific data and "proof" that the Earth is flat. A few even claim to have images of the "ice wall" surrounding the Earth.

**serandfae** · 10-25-2007, 06:52 PM

Allow me to pass out to all of them the little paper cups filled with the extra-special Kool-Aid....

**Learning Newbie** · 10-25-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by whym

This is one of the most ridiculous conspiracy theories I've heard. Holocaust denial, 9/11 and some other trash - but this seems to beat all of that! This is ridiculous!

That science is wrong about "the moon" or that science is wrong about "global warming"?

It's interesting to note that there is (pseudo)scientific evidence supporting my claim. I've appealed to authority (Isaac Newton), to history (no English language mention of the moon prior to 1066 AD), to literature (Shakespeare, if the man existed as the Lunasts say, considered the moon unreliable, not to be promised against), to populist common sense (they used to say it was made of cheese, now they say it's made of rock), to capitalist greed (there's an unclaimed $100,000 reward for proof) and even to do it yourself experimentation (try the bathtub experiment - just try it). I've pointed to the agenda based supporters of moon theory, and even defamed a deeply involved (gov't) science body (NASA).

Whether you agree the moon is a hoax or not (and after reading this, how could anyone not?) you have to admit this has all the attributes of a modern public "debate" or forum. Change "the moon" to "evolution", "global warming", "plate tectonics" or "heliocentric planetary system" and some of the details, but the template is exactly the same. Even moving away from the war on science, if you look at people saying the Holocaust didn't happen, they use the same argument I outlined against "the moon".

(They used to say the moon was made of cheese - now it's rock. That doesn't mean they've been lieing all along, it means we still don't know 100 % but we know more now than we did in 1950.) Critical thinking is fun.

**hamesy** · 10-26-2007, 04:19 AM

Although that was an interesting read, and I consider myself open-minded, however I've got a few things I want to point out. The bathtub experiment will not work. For it the work correctly you will need to work out the correct amount of water in proportion of the tennis ball.

I would also like to point out the follow:

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there is no mention of the moon in the English language until 1066.

What about other languages? Just because the English language doesn't mention the moon, doesn't mean that other languages did. The Egyptians had a moon God, at features in several Egyptian myths.