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Old 10-30-2007, 06:52 PM What is spam?
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No I haven't been smoking pot/weed/wacky backy.... I'm looking for a definition here.

Is the commercialisation of social bookmarking spam in your opinion? I don't want a few people to shout down the rest here - I want an honest discussion on the topic.

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Old 10-30-2007, 08:32 PM Re: What is spam?
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I see spam as being the attempt to use a system in a way not intended for the purpose of promotion.
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:39 PM Re: What is spam?
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What is spam??? yahoo mail!!! Man do i ever hate yahoo but ive had it for about 5 years
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Old 10-30-2007, 10:56 PM Re: What is spam?
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Commercialization of social bookmarking sites is okay to some extent, if it does not interfere with the content of said sites. For example, if a social bookmarking site wanted to run Google Adsense, I'm cool with that.

Where commercialization pisses me off is in the social bookmarks themselves. They create an environment by which organic social bookmarks are diluted. Depending on how it is done, it may or may not be spam as well (my line is "social bookmarking submission services" or "stumble exchanges" or things of that nature.)
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Old 10-30-2007, 11:19 PM Re: What is spam?
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Is the commercialisation of social bookmarking spam in your opinion?
It all depends on intended end result.

Spam widely defined as something you get in your mailbox without asking for
that in the first place. But even if you agreed to receive email and content of
that email is full of crap, you are being spammed as well but this time you
have had ask for it.

Social bookmarking originally as everything else made good sense for selected
groups of people but with time it went beyond social and as everything online
became source of abuse and spamming and now it just one more way to
spam you to death.


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Old 10-31-2007, 01:33 AM Re: What is spam?
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Commercialization of social bookmarking sites is okay to some extent, if it does not interfere with the content of said sites. For example, if a social bookmarking site wanted to run Google Adsense, I'm cool with that.
I think Whym is asking about commercialization by someone who isn't involved in the sb system. This is the second time in a row I go talking for someone else ... but I think he meant people selling, trading, or farming 'votes' on social bookmark sites. For clarity's sake, though, Stumble themselves sell 'advertising' through their service.

I don't think a site trying to profit from what they've built is spam. But I do think people creating submittal services into other peoples' sites hurts those sites. Stumble and Digg are diluted as a whole when somebody adds their own content and then recruits dozens of people to vote for it, quid-pro-quo style. That, I would consider spam.

Of course the quality of the content matters a bit. If it's low quality and a hard sell, that's a lot more repugnant than if the children's hospital did the same thing. I don't know if Local Cooling added their site to the social services, regardless of that, it "went viral" because people liked it. But I think even charities should play along with community standards.

There are plenty of good ways to market a site that unquestionably don't step on any toes, that you'll get your stuff seen by a social media user pretty quickly. I took Whym's advice with Add This, and I haven't checked my stats in several days, but I would hope and expect other things I do to bring visitors to my site have the added benefit of getting me listed in bookmark sites I've never used before.
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Old 10-31-2007, 01:40 PM Re: What is spam?
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To clarify things, I was talking about companies and commercial sites buying or trading Diggs/Stumbles etc. to get them lots of traffic. I'm unsure if this is outright spam or just marketing that is bordering on spam
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Old 10-31-2007, 08:12 PM Re: What is spam?
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More likely the latter. There's lots of unscrupulous activity on the web, I'm sure all here are aware of that, and that spam is just the tip of the iceberg. Folks like KnujOn started going after the scams behind the spams for that very reason.

So I'm going to be strict in my definition of a spam to mean any commercial (personal e-mails don't count, even if you don't want them) e-mail you did not sign up to receive. Period. The other stuff, while unfortunate, is another class of underhanded dealing.

And, to borrow a phrase, NO MEANS NO!!!!!
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:09 PM Re: What is spam?
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That's a very strict definition. Do you think a person who joins a forum and only posts one message who's entire body is a link back to their site is spam?
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Old 11-01-2007, 02:31 PM Re: What is spam?
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That's a very strict definition. Do you think a person who joins a forum and only posts one message who's entire body is a link back to their site is spam?
Tricky, tricky aren’t we?

IMHO depending on content and place (forum) it might be as well spam
but of different sort.

Also, forum is a public place and my mailbox, is private



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