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Old 12-11-2007, 04:19 PM Criticism of Internet Explorer
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I found this article on Wikipedia. It's funny, because even though expressing a strong "point of view" (wikispeak for bias) is strongly encouraged as long as your bias is PC (like pro Mac), but it's not at all allowed when you write bias into an article that's for something on the no-biased information list. For example, talking about how good anything Microsoft makes will get you banned for the day for either vandalism, or edit war.

So when I saw a pro Internet Explorer article on Wikipedia, I, well, did something personal with a brick, that required TP to clean up.

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A number of IE's security issues are related to components based on Component Object Model (COM).[citation needed]
More recently, other experts have noted that the dangers of ActiveX have been overstated and there are safeguards in place. In an April 2005 eWeek opinions column, Larry Seltzer stated:
While there has been a striking lack of actual evidence that ActiveX is unsafe, there has been no shortage of baseless assertions and cheap shots against it. My favorite was the "Internet Exploder" incident in which Sun actually paid someone to write a malicious ActiveX control. The test system brought up all the warning dialogs about the program that you usually get and the Sun employee actually had the nerve to keep whacking on the enter key quickly so they would close as quickly as possible and didn't mention that there were any such warnings. Meanwhile, they also didn't mention that a signed Java applet could also perform dangerous privileged operations and would provide similar warnings. Most ActiveX criticism is simply uninformed, but this example was hypocritical and dishonest.[14]
Other browsers that use NPAPI as their extensibility mechanism are suffering the same problems.

Also they say most of the criticism of IE comes from when you run it particular other software running at the same time. They talk about an IIS exploit. (What dummy decided IIS should be enabled by default?)

This sort of glosses over the some of the more real complaints about IE. Especially the one that ****es me off. It reads web pages written in MSML instead of HTML.
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Old 12-11-2007, 05:24 PM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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Probably because nobody told them that HTML (oh well HTM to be exact) came before
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Old 12-11-2007, 06:24 PM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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I thought this thread would be another chance to have a go at one of the worst browsers on the planet. It wasn't specifically that, but I'll have a quick go anyway:
  • Internet Explorer (6 especially) tends to render pages incorrectly and mess up layouts or formatting that work in other browsers.
  • IE6 does not support transparent PNGs and so I have to place hacks everytime I want it to display things as they are supposed to be displayed.
  • IE in general is not as secure as alternatives and tends to crash more often.
  • IE has that annoying "click here to activate" or "run DLL" popup when you open web pages using flash/DLLs or whatever else
  • IE7, just like Vista, is basically just a messed up version of it's predecessor. A few features added here and there and a revamped interface that often complicates things rather than making them simpler.
  • ActiveX controls have a major effect on the overall security of the browser - Firefox and several other browsers do not support these yet the quality of the browsing experience is hardly impaired by not having support for them
Simply to push my point further: we had a brief discussion yesterday in class with other kids who are studying a full time IT course (so are very technologically aware) and out of the 15 in the class, only 2 said they liked/didn't mind Internet Explorer. I would guess that the majority of the people in the class, like me, prefer Firefox.

Internet Explorer (6 worse than 7) is the web developers arch nemesis when creating web sites - it messes things up usually, it doesn't support features that seem really quite basic (i.e. transparent PNG support) and its market share has effected how many web developers actually develop - they focus on IE standards rather than on web standards!
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:30 PM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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  • IE6 does not support transparent PNGs and so I have to place hacks everytime I want it to display things as they are supposed to be displayed.
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  • IE7, just like Vista, is basically just a messed up version of it's predecessor. A few features added here and there and a revamped interface that often complicates things rather than making them simpler.
Vista is nothing like its predecessor. I think that's where most of the complains from people who've used it come from.
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Old 12-11-2007, 08:42 PM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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I think the problems with IEs come from speed with which new programs are coming to market.
New Internet technologies way in front of now fast M$ is capable to upgrade their browsers
and also because the browser is a part of OS there is only some much M$ can do



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Old 12-12-2007, 01:57 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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well they had a long time between v6 and v7
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:58 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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"Probably because nobody told them that HTML (oh well HTM to be exact) came before
Windows1 (what a quaver it was) and even before Commandor64 "

i thought html was always html (Hyper Text Markup Language) from the beginning?!
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:38 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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yep, but at the time, there was a 8.3 character naming restriction in ms-dos and windows before 95.
So, html was abbreviated to htm, to comply with the 3 char. suffix size.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:59 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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yep, but at the time, there was a 8.3 character naming restriction in ms-dos and windows before 95.
So, html was abbreviated to htm, to comply with the 3 char. suffix size.
It’s good to see someone who knows the history before stone ages
(too bad TP form for some reason wouldn't respond to my TP points)


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Old 12-12-2007, 03:04 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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oh you mean the extension - yeah windows 3.11 was nice like that! i thought you just meant the html name itself
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:45 AM Re: Criticism of Internet Explorer
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It’s good to see someone who knows the history before stone ages
He, I've started using a computer at 4 (or 5, not sure anymore), and I'm now almost 33...
Do the math.

At that time, I was on a CBM 8032 with 32 Ko ram. The top of the line. Worth thousands $$$
The big + for having my dad as one of the first peoples in my country getting into computing in 1978.

It makes me always a bit shivers when I think that the place where I work have an old cray that they expose and use as a public bench....
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