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UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
Old 01-30-2008, 12:07 PM UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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I'm not really sure I understand. It's the same thing, just a different (more object oriented) representation in memory? Or was there actually something wrong with locations that forced a change to indicators? Am I missing something?

I know that sounds dumb. I'm a programmer and always worked on data processing. The web is a new frontier for me, but I'm self tought so I've missed out on things that weren't obvious needs. All of a sudden everyone is talking about URI and no one cares about URL?
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Old 01-31-2008, 04:11 AM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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All I know is URL is a subset of URI. A url specifies a particular resource and a URI may or may not.
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Old 01-31-2008, 03:13 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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Most of my books use the terms fairly interchangeably. Which does not mean it's accurate to do so, but the URL acronym has become too entrenched in common speech to be supplanted, even if the other is "correct".
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Old 01-31-2008, 04:27 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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At least I'm not the only one whose confused?
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Old 01-31-2008, 05:03 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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From W3C, the masters of intentional obfuscation for the sheer sake of it:
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Over time, the importance of this additional level of hierarchy seemed to lessen; the view became that an individual scheme does not need to be cast into one of a discrete set of URI types such as "URL", "URN", "URC", etc. Web-identifer schemes are in general URI schemes; a given URI scheme may define subspaces. Thus "http:" is a URI scheme. "urn:" is also a URI scheme; it defines subspaces, called "namespaces". For example, the set of URNs of the form "urn:isbn:n-nn-nnnnnn-n" is a URN namespace. ("isbn" is an URN namespace identifier. It is not a "URN scheme" nor a "URI scheme").
Further according to the contemporary view, the term "URL" does not refer to a formal partition of URI space; rather, URL is a useful but informal concept: a URL is a type of URI that identifies a resource via a representation of its primary access mechanism (e.g., its network "location"), rather than by some other attributes it may have. Thus as we noted, "http:" is a URI scheme. An http URI is a URL. The phrase "URL scheme" is now used infrequently, usually to refer to some subclass of URI schemes which exclude URNs.
Now if someone could translate this W3C-speak into English, we'd be all set. The only thing I can separate from this BS is what NullPointer said...URL is a subset of URI.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:28 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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Alan Greenspan writes tech documentation?

I didn't even see UNC which is \\server\share\path\file.txt on local networks. So that blurb was less confusing than it could be. My head aches.
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Old 01-31-2008, 06:57 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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Alan Greenspan writes tech documentation?
Maybe they ask Alan to encode plain text to confuse lame people and keep them away from
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:16 AM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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The difference is one letter?

A uri can point to a "resource" on the local file-system, on a network, or over the internet. A url is specific to the internet ... I think a url only applies to http, https and ftp?
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Old 02-02-2008, 05:46 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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http://, https://, gofer:// etc etc are all URIs. http://webmaster-talk.com/ is a URL using the URI http://
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Old 02-02-2008, 07:53 PM Re: UR-L vs UR-I what's the difference n why?
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http://, https://, gofer:// etc etc are all URIs. http://webmaster-talk.com/ is a URL using the URI http://
Not in my definition.

An URL would be a reference to a document (host+port+pathname), with it's protocol, but without any search or hashes values.
An URN would be the reference to a document, with it's search and hash fields (if any), but without the protocol.
And the URI is the complete chain: The protocol, the document, and the search/hash values.

And for the sake of reference:
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In general, a URI has this form:
protocol//host:port/pathname#hash?search

For example:

http://home.netscape.com/assist/extensions.html#topic1?x=7&y=2
These parts serve the following purposes:
  • protocol represents the beginning of the URL, up to and including the first colon.
  • host represents the host and domain name, or IP address, of a network host.
  • port represents the communications port that the server uses for communications.
  • pathname represents the URL-path portion of the URL.
  • hash represents an anchor name fragment in the URL, including the hash mark (#). This property applies to HTTP URLs only.
  • search represents any query information in the URL, including the question mark (?). This property applies to HTTP URLs only. The search string contains variable and value pairs; each pair is separated by an ampersand (&).
The only time I have an use for the URI value, is when I use an URL rewriting scheme. In that case, the URL on the server side is the rewritten one.
If I need to access what exactly was typed, I need to address the URI.

I needed that because I had rewrote the standard name=value scheme on a specific site.
The url's where like http://whatever.com/profile/page:1|s:3
And I needed to parse the URI to find back the "page:1|s:3" values.
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