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**Republikin** · 07-15-2004, 09:19 PM

Here are some more choice quotes from our presidents...

The world is more like it is now then it ever has before.
Dwight Eisenhower

You know, if I were a single man, I might ask that mummy out. That's a good-looking mummy!
-- President Bill Clinton, looking at the recently-discovered Inca mummy "Juanita"

When asked what's wrong with letting local school districts decide how best to spend federal education dollars, President Clinton replied, "because it's not their money"

At a press conference July 21, 1999, Bill Clinton stated:
"John Kennedy had actually not been back to the White House since his father was killed, until I had became president - and first he was on an advisory committee that made a report to me, and he came back to the Oval Office where he saw the desk that he took the famous picture in - you know, coming through the gate, for the first time since he was a little boy."

Mr. Clinton made a "joke" during a White House Press meeting during the weekend of May 1, 1999. He assured the group that although Al Gore attended the Kentucky Derby, he did not sire the winning horse. Everyone laughed (??) This is the president of the United States, making jokes about the VP having sex with a horse?

Clinton: "I can spend your money better than you can."
In a post-State of the Union speech in Buffalo, NY on January 20, 1999, Bill Clinton was asked why not a tax cut if we have a surplus. Clinton's response:
"We could give it all back to you and hope you spend it right... But ... if you don't spend it right, here's what's going to happen. In 2013 -- that's just 14 years away -- taxes people pay on their payroll for Social Security will no longer cover the monthly checks... I want every parent here to look at the young people here, and ask yourself, 'Do you really want to run the risk of squandering this surplus?' "

"[I]t depends on how you define "alone" ... there were a lot of times when we were alone, but I never really thought we were."
"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is"
- excerpts from Bill Clinton's grand jury testimony

" Every time Bush talks about trust it makes chills run up and down my spine. The way he has trampled on the truth is a travesty of the American political system."
- Presidential candidate Bill Clinton, describing his opponent (Federal News Service, 10/28/92)

"There's just no such thing as truth when it comes to him. He just says whatever sounds good and worries about it after the election."
Presidential candidate Bill Clinton describing his opponent, George Bush (Quoted in the American Spectator, 10/28/92)

Ironic that Clinton talked about how George Bush isn't truthful....

"The road to tyranny, we must remember, begins with the destruction of the truth." from a speech at the University of Connecticut, Oct 15, 1997.
Are we now on the road to tyranny due to Clinton's disregard for the truth?

I tried to walk a line between acting lawfully and testifying falsely, but I now realize that I did not fully accomplish that goal
--William J. Clinton - Bill Clinton Rhodes Scholar, former President

"I'm not going to have some reporters pawing through our papers. We are the president."
Hillary Clinton commenting on the release of subpoenaed documents.

Ok so she wasnt president but she sure felt like she was.

"Character doesn't matter." - Bill Clinton
"I don't think the Republicans can damage my character" - Bill Clinton
But does he have any character to attack in the first place?

Its just too hard to get away from the clintons idiocies...
Medicare:
We propose to let (medicare) go up at 2 times the rate of inflation...when you here all this business about cuts, let me caution you that that is not what is going on" - Bill Clinton proposal on Medicare
"They are cutting medicare" - Bill Clinton on the very same proposal when voted on by Republicans
"It is a $270 billion cut in medicare" - Bill Clinton on the very same proposal when voted on by Republicans
Taxes:
"I will tell you this: I will not raise taxes on the middle-class to pay for these programs." - Bill Clinton
"It might suprise you to know I think I raised them too much, too" - Bill Clinton
A short time later: "I take full responsability...for what we did. It was the right thing to do." - Bill Clinton
"I have no intention of raising taxes" - Bill Clinton
Welfare:
"And I have a plan to do even better, to end welfare as we know it" - Bill Clinton (who vetoed the welfare reform bill passed by congress and later signed it taking credit for it)
Campaign Finance Reform:
"I am committed to curbing the influence of money in our political system." - Bill Clinton
Oddly enough it was Clinton selling the Lincoln Bedroom to big money donors
The Scandals
"I did not have sexual realtions with that woman, Miss Lewinsky!" - Bill Clinton
"Indeed I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong" - Bill Clinton
Lying
"If a President of the United States ever lied to the American people he should resign." - Bill Clinton running for US Representative in 1974
"I misled people" - Bill Clinton in the Lewinsky address (Translation: I lied to the American people)
"I issued a number of denials to people I thought needed to hear them" - Bill Clinton, Grand Jury Testimony (Translation: I wanted to cover it up so I lied to you- even under oath)
"I am trying to be honest with you and it hurts me. Now..." - Bill Clinton's Grand Jury Testimony (We know all too well)

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans" - Bill Clinton

Ok I think I have proven my point sufficiently. Bush is not the only one to say stupid things. Also, why is it that whenever a republican say's something stupid in this country the media jumps all over it but when a democrat say's something stupid it goes largely unnoticed? A double standard perhaps. Maybe this is why so many of todays young people (and severely dissolusioned mature people) have completely wacky unfounded views on politics and foreign affairs.

**Kyrnt** · 07-15-2004, 09:36 PM

Andrew,

I think that Tony Blair is one of the finest leaders in the world. Although he is a liberal and I am a conservative, I hold him in the greatest esteem as a statesman, a diplomat and a peacemaker. His opponents use the word "puppy" to describe his relationship with Bush but the truth is he is a bridge of moderation between America and left-leaning Europe. The British people should be commended in the strongest way for electing (and re-electing) the most far-reaching head of state over the past decade.

**dbzguy** · 07-16-2004, 01:01 AM

cptnwinky,

yea, now i think that the liberals put forward bill clinton and he did bad as a presedent and didnt choose his words to well... so now since we had a good reason to hate bill clinto they want a reason to hate george bush(at least a few) than the liberals that base their opinions on others listen to famous liberals and hate bush also... than other countries follow the flow and hate bush... so they really have no reason accept revenge... but what can i say... im only 24 and graduated from MIT 2 years ago and am getting a masters at embree riddle in aeronautical engineering...:-p

**Republikin** · 07-16-2004, 09:06 AM

I didn't even mean to just put so much about Clinton but when you search for stupid presidential quotes the only things that come up are Bush and Clinton.

I would like to add as well that I was not trying to prove that George Bush has not said anything stupid and Clinton has. I simply wanted to point out that Bush is not the only president to say some stupid crap and I think it shows all their humanity (just like everyone said when Slick Willy gave it to Monica)

**Kyrnt** · 07-16-2004, 10:23 AM

Another point to remember here folks is that in his book and in interviews over the last few weeks, Bill Clinton has not condemned and has gone so far as to support significant portions of President Bush's Iraq policy. So for all your Clinton-lovers who have been standing in line with your books in the hope of getting a signed copy, remember that the object of your affection is not an ardent war opponent -- far from it.

**dbzguy** · 07-18-2004, 05:48 PM

im not saying you said anything about clinton. im just making a point

**jeter4982** · 07-19-2004, 12:23 PM

Who cares? I'm not even 18, but I guess I would say Bush

**DaveMo~** · 07-19-2004, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jeter4982

Who cares?

Wow! I couldn't attempt to answer that question, but I bet there's millions of them!

Dave

**bearthelight** · 07-27-2004, 09:23 PM

Kerry for 2004.
Bush can lick the floor.
Nader is such a bore.
Boy I wish last year was Gore.

That's my poem

**Kyrnt** · 09:50 PM

We were all doing so well keeping this thread close to something close to great discussion.

Back to the issues. Kerry would make a poor commander-in-chief and will make apologetic overtones to anyone who will listen.

Bush is a real leader who has done as good a job as any American or ally in remembering what the terrorist attacks of September 11th did to every citizen of the Western world.

**Republikin** · 10:33 PM

People, just please remember to study issues independintly(sp?) away from major news sources. The media, whether right or left will seek to spin things in their favor. The thing that scares me most is that most major networks with the most exposure are sympathetic towards the democratic party.

So, with that said. I challenge anyone to show me proof of a bad economy, proof that Bush did not try hard enough to get the UN's help and approval in Iraq, proof that he has actually lied to the american people. I am not afraid to admit when I am wrong, I realize I have alot of learning to do and do not deam myself to be a perfect politician (so to say). I seek truth as much as the next man but when its shoved down my throat in a your wrong for your belief's manner, like most extreme libs do, then I am not going to listen on purpose.

EDIT:
Just to clarify, this is what I'm looking for...
Fact
Proof
Not opinion.

**whatNext** · 07-28-2004, 03:59 AM

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We were all doing so well keeping this thread close to something close to great discussion

when exactly? this whole thread has pretty much been you and captainwinky teaming up on one guy, and trying to bait others into dissent so you can jump their butts too.
i'm not stating an opinion on this issue either way - there's no reason to waste the time.

**Kyrnt** · 08:27 AM

whatNext,

We are not looking to "jump" anyone but rather engage in intelligent, fact-based non-sophomoric debate. You asked "When exactly." I would say it was right around the time that "Bush can lick the floor" was posted to the forum did the quality of the debate suffered.

**Mooofasa** · 07-28-2004, 07:59 AM

I am not 18 and foreign (english). I do not want Bush to be President. I was going to tell you why but by the way things are lloking in this thread, then i best not. Just remember who likes playing with bombs. Remember who smiles every time Iraq comes into question. Personally i would vote for Kerry.

mik

**Republikin** · 07-28-2004, 08:50 AM

I'm beginning to feel like the left is impaired when it comes to fact finding.

**chaka42** · 07-28-2004, 09:11 AM

left or right, facts are skewed for propaganda .... right or wrong, it's always been that way.

to the chagrin of the 38.71%, i'm going with bush ...

**scottfree** · 07-28-2004, 10:26 AM

Well, I can´t believe how everyone jumps into a political discussion/debate/argument. I personally don´t have much time to spend thinking about politics, it´s not worth it. I am basically of the opinion that almost all politicians are people who started off with good intentions but then find out how difficult it is to fight the system and decide to secure their future instead of fighting harder.
Firstly, I am not American so take this with a pinch of salt.
If that comment about Bush having an IQ of 91 or something is true, I would be really worried about having him run your country.
I don´t disagree with the war either because Saddam was a bad man and needed to be gotten rid of, even though he was created by the American Gov. when they wanted him to fight against Iran.
P.S. do you honestly think that Bush himself makes all the final decisions?
Anyway, you can hate me for my comments but personally, I don´t care. This is MY opinion and everyone has their own.

**conkermaniac** · 07-28-2004, 10:43 AM

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proof that he has actually lied to the american people

Cptwinky, I'll take on your challenge.

Iraq simply does not have weapons of mass destruction. We've been searching for a pretty darn long time, and we have found nothing. Sure, we have found traces of things that may indicate that Saddam might ONCE have had a WMD stockpile, but nothing that suggests that he had chemical weapons. Blair has even said that he accepts that WMD may never be found. As for Bush, he clearly made many remarks regarding Iraq's WMD capabilities.

"Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons." (UN Address, 9/12/02)

"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons." (Radio Address, 10/5/02)

"We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas." (Speech in Cincinnatti, 10/7/02)

"Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent." (State of the Union, 1/28/03)

"Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." (Address to the Nation, 3/17/03)

You might argue that it's not Bush's fault. It's the CIA's fault for not collecting adequate data. But I am almost certain that the CIA felt pressure from the White House. The CIA covered up several pieces of information that was not favorable to Bush's view on Iraq. For example, why was there a difference between the NIE's classified report (which stated that any claims that Iraq has WMD's is questionable) and its declassified report (which concluded that the regime DOES have WMD's)?

Bush has also reiterated time and time again that Hussein had ties to Al Qaeda. The 9/11 panel have turned up no evidence of operational ties between Hussein's regime and Al Qaeda. Bin Laden even sponsored anti-Saddam insurgents in Kurdistan. Lack of cooperation between the two is not surprising at all, considering that Hussein, a moderate Sunni, was not fond of the Shi'ite bin Laden. Bush is now claiming that his administration never suggested a tie between Iraq and bin Laden. But Cheney himself had said on Meet the Press: "If we're successful in Iraq...then we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." Bush stated in 2003 that "We've removed an ally of al Qaeda and cut off a source of terrorist funding." They were certain enough of their information that they went to war. Then why isn't there a single shred of evidence supporting their claims?

**Republikin** · 07-29-2004, 12:06 AM

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? Your right, I can not prove that he did not lie, but can you prove that he did? At this point it is all speculation, the libs in this country would really have you believe that Bush lied to our faces on purpose to twist us and use us in the worst ways. Why would they want that though? Could it be that they want power back and sink to all-time lows to achieve their goals? Now imagine this scenario, which will be pure speculation on my behalf, Saddam does have ties to Al-Quaeda (afterall the enemy of my enemy is my friend). He does have WMD's of whatever kind, chemical or otherwise. He has a handfull of piss poor inspectors in the country and can easily hide his real capability from them, which he did very often by just not allowing them into certain facilities. Now, he sees Bush, and 54 other countries aligning themselves against him and going to the UN and asking the UN nicely to enforce their own laws and sanctions on Iraq. This process took a few months if my memory serves me. Now, with the assumption that he does have ties to Al-Quaeda, how hard would it be for him to push most of his WMD programs research and probably meager stockpiles into the hands of Al-Quaeda operatives to promptly remove them from the country. You have to remember that Saddam's WMD's were not big ICBM's like we have. They had to be subtle in nature and have the capability of moving about the country with relative ease to avoid the inspectors. Think about it, these people were not bumbling hill-billys on the world stage. They spent and still spend years studying us and how to avoid us in any way possible. I find it more likely that they worked around our flaws to achieve their objectives rather than our flaws proved they had no objective.

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Sure, we have found traces of things that may indicate that Saddam might ONCE have had a WMD stockpile, but nothing that suggests that he had chemical weapons.

Huh? Wait, this must be what Kerry is going through when he has to make a decision.

Remember that fact is something that can be proven by process of elimination or scientific evidence. Have we eliminated all possibilities yet?

**Percy** · 07-29-2004, 02:28 AM

here, chop me to bits...

From a non-citizen, the answer is a resounding 'vote for someone other than Bush'. The US is getting a bad rap (and getting badder) around the world, and the political system seems to be the reason for that. You need a change in figure head to be seen to be 'moving ahead' at present. Same face means detrimental standing, no matter how good or bad the man is. Pity is that you can't vote out the man without voting out the party...

We look up to the US as leading the good fight. Don't want to be dragged down by association, so we recommend the change.

Again, "pity is that you can't vote out the man without voting out the party..."