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**elperrocaliente** · 01:19 AM

[QUOTE]The times of great men and even greater causes are gone from this earth. I am simply appoled (and I will spell it however I like) at the lack of compasion and willingness to spread forth a good cause on this earth

Are you talking about the same good compassionate men who want to ban gay marraige, taking way a majority of rights away from American citizens by telling them who they can marry? Are you talking about men who want to stop stem cell research, which will inevitably save millions of lives and change the future of medicine? Are you talking about men like George W. Bush, who leads his country into war, in vain? Yeah, Saddam was an evil monster, who we put into power and had no wmds. But Bush is not responsible for the thousands of Iraqi's who have been killed?
Boy, I hope the next time that America is under attack, when Bush is in office again, and he sits there and reads "My Pet Goat" instead of taking immediate action. I'm glad I know my president knows how to read 2nd grade level books! I find this to be very appaulling! Oh, and he is SUCH a religious man. I don't see how you can put the word good and Bush in the same sentence. The only true way to find peace is to accept all people, dispite who they are, and help all those who are in need. Pointing fingers gets us nowhere!

http://www.counterpunch.org/sullivan07082003.html
http://california.sierraclub.org/seq...son_12_02.html
http://costofwar.com/

**elperrocaliente** · 12:29 AM

http://www.allied-media.com/aljazeera/VICS.htm
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm

This is thanks to George W. Bush! Our glorious leader! Iraq is much much better off now. We got rid of Suddam, and everything is fine! Bush is doing his God-given-job in controlling the world!

...personally, I think we've helped Iraq enough!

**Dark-Skys99** · 08-01-2004, 01:24 AM

I suppose it must be a hard job being George Bush right now...

But I dont suppose theres much that can be done..Its not truely his fault for all the injured victims..Most caused by Iraqi suicide bombers..

The thing that really annoys me though is how people are still campaigning how we shouldnt have gone to war...But if we didnt we wouldnt have caught Saddam..and then who knows what could have happened he could have killed millions of innocent americans and english people...Then what would the people be campaigning...why didnt we goto war...

It just shows how there is alot of important decisions that have to be made...

And theres always the people who will destroy the peace...and kill their own people...pure evil..

Personally I wont be voting for anyone as im underage and also dont live in America

-James

**dbzguy** · 08-01-2004, 02:50 AM

thats exactally what ive been trying to say.

**elperrocaliente** · 03:34 AM

but i'm very sure we have had ample time to take Suddam from power, since we were the ones who put him there 12 years ago. Why did we decide now that Suddam was a terrible threat! I'm sure we could have got him without resorting to war. And there were plans for an Iraq invasion before 9/11, hmmmm... But it will be a long long road till Iraq has gone under control and has set up itself a stable democracy. Who's place is it for us to 'fix' the world. Are we the planet's police men? Did Iraq ask us to free them??? The world is still a troubled place. There are starving children all over the world! Lets stop world hunger forever, or take down all evil rulers out of power in all countries. There still exists unrest in Iraq, we have destroyed numerous buildngs and homes. What message has Bush sent them? He had many of them bombed and murdered, just like Suddam. Many of them see no difference between Bush and Suddam. And I would have to agree.

**cjvj** · 08-01-2004, 04:42 AM

Remember, no WMDs have been found in iraq, this was the principle reason for going to war and it has been forgotton over the last few months. I suspect a cover up...

"they will find WMDs in iraq as soon as they have flown over from america and as soon as the 'made in iraq' labels have dried"

**conkermaniac** · 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark-Skys99

But if we didnt we wouldnt have caught Saddam..and then who knows what could have happened he could have killed millions of innocent americans and english people...

I'm sorry, but have you read the posts in this thread? I'm telling you that he never was a threat to American security, and even if he did have the capability to be a threat, he wasn't a threat.

Conker

**cjvj** · 08-01-2004, 06:45 AM

There is another cost of war apart from human lives. If you were wondering where all the money you pay in tax was going then visit http://www.nationalpriorities.org/Is...CostOfWar.html

ouch....

**Dark-Skys99** · 08-01-2004, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by conkermaniac

I'm sorry, but have you read the posts in this thread? I'm telling you that he never was a threat to American security, and even if he did have the capability to be a threat, he wasn't a threat.

Conker

You never know though... He has killed millions of his own people in the past..So what would stop him attacking the enemies..

You never know whats going to happen tommorrow ot the day after..or the day after that..anything to anyone..anywhere could happen..

Its a mad world...

-James

**elperrocaliente** · 08-01-2004, 05:12 PM

He had no intention of messing with the United States. Why would he have? Would he have attacked us with his imaginary weapons? He wouldn't have stood a chance by attacking us. If he was, he would have had a strong army and have been preparing for an attack on the US. But he obviously had NOTHING. We weren't even sure if he did, so we went to war anyway. You don't just go to war. You don't do it because you want to, you do it because you have to. This is the first time the us has ever waged war on another country. There were many other options we could have chosen in dealing with this problem. War is a terrible terrible thing, and should be avoided at all costs, unless it is the last resort. I'm sure if you were fighting in Iraq right now, you would be wondering what the h*** you are doing there.

**Republikin** · 08-01-2004, 05:29 PM

I know I said I was done with this but...

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Originally Posted by elperrocaliente

I'm sure if you were fighting in Iraq right now, you would be wondering what the h*** you are doing there.

I will not sit here and just allow you to belittle our troops. I have several friends in Iraq, I have someone who was very close to me die in Iraq. Not one of them questions why they are there. Before he died he sent 4 letters home, in each one he told of the good his platoon was doing. He told us of the relief that 90% of Iraqi's felt that someone finally did something to help them out of that represive regime. His job was meet with local leaders and discuss ways to work together towards a securing peace. The Iraqis want it, its the terrorists inside Iraq taht don't, peace and democracy threaten their very existence and it scares them to death that they are losing.

Whos side are you liberals on anyways? And yes that was an attack cry if you wish. I expect it this post to either be deleted or edited or my being asked to do one or the other. I can't sit idly by and watch you left wing nutcases degrade the truth to a level of feeling and denial. Facts are, this is a good cause. You can show all the pictures in the world of bleeding Iraqis, I will counter them with people jumping out of windows in NY. Neither is pretty. Can you even tell me for sure that those images you like to wave like a banner were caused by US weapons? You have no clue you shock jock.

**dbzguy** · 08-01-2004, 05:44 PM

unless your sadams borhter im sure you dont know if sadam was a threat. and we didnt only catch him because he was a threat. he had murdered inocent people and we had the proof and you cant say we didnt because even if you didnt know what does the government tell you? LIES! trust me i work for the government now. even if it was his troop who he once blamed it on in a hearing, they are under his command. he was a mojor threat. at the AF academy when he got got they went from fpCon Charlie to fpCon Alpha that means the security went WAY down from the second to highest level to lowest level and fpCON stands for Force Protection Condition.

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Originally Posted by conkermaniac

I'm sorry, but have you read the posts in this thread? I'm telling you that he never was a threat to American security, and even if he did have the capability to be a threat, he wasn't a threat.

Conker

**dbzguy** · 08-01-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elperrocaliente

I'm sure if you were fighting in Iraq right now, you would be wondering what the h*** you are doing there.

people like you are the people that sit in there office and dont give a crap about the people that are nedangering their lives for you not for you though and not for bush and not for anybody speciall but for the US of A and if your gonna say our troops dont care then why dont they all just get discharged and live a normal life? cause they do care.

**DaveMo~** · 08-01-2004, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveMo~

It is great to discuss sensitive issues, but it must remain a discussion. When it becomes a debate because debate tactics are used, then members get offended. This will not be allowed here.

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Please keep this civil. If it's not, it will be closed.

The discussion has been good, but it's now losing it civility.

Thread closed.

Dave

**conkermaniac** · 12:11 PM

You know, the Iraq war was very bad, very bad........

*rambles on, while Dave searches for a "lock thread from moderators too" feature*

In all seriousness, Dave, I agree that it was about time for this thread to be locked.

Conker