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**Nick204k** · 01-12-2007, 09:16 AM

I read somewhere that the iraq war will cost us... alot of $$

Iraq war costs taxpayers $357,000,000,000
The Iraq war has cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars, with no end in sight.

**** George Bush

**netfreehost** · 01-12-2007, 01:05 PM

It is tax payers hard earned money. Government do no work, live eating others money. Since they do not worked to make that money, they don't care how they spend it :-(

**Nick204k** · 01-12-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by netfreehost

It is tax payers hard earned money. Government do no work, live eating others money. Since they do not worked to make that money, they don't care how they spend it :-(

it kind of blows if you ask me hah

**BamaStangGuy** · 01-12-2007, 02:56 PM

I could go on all day about why George Bush is not the real problem in Iraq. Sure he made mistakes but it doesn't all lie on him. Most of the blame lies overseas in Europe.

But hey that's my opinion and I am not about to argue it on a webmaster forum. We tried that once and it didn't work at all.

**dprundle** · 01-12-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeHit

I read somewhere that the iraq war will cost us... alot of $$

Iraq war costs taxpayers $357,000,000,000
The Iraq war has cost hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars, with no end in sight.

**** George Bush

Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry. :detective:

**BamaStangGuy** · 01-12-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dprundle

Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry. :detective:

Kerry is just as responsible for this war as Bush. He voted too. (Here we go)

**Lucas3677** · 01-12-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by netfreehost

...Government do no work, live eating others money...

Your argument is completely flawed and has no justification. What do you expect the government to do? Make money themselves to pay for education, transport, defence, etc...?

Would you be happy the roads in your town looked like this because the government didn't have the money to fix them:

Would you be happy if the government stopped funding science projects to help mankind? Help find cures and treatments for new viruses?

Would you be happy if all the public schools were closed and crime would skyrocket everywhere in the US?

The case is not as simple as them stealing our money. You have to realize that running a country costs money and it requires a collective group to make it better for everyone to live in.

**imported_dvduval** · 01-12-2007, 11:24 PM

I'm glad there is a greater balance of power now with a Democratic Congress and a Republican President. Hopefully, there will be more checks and balances that will lead to causing people to actually think for a change.

I see no easy way to get past this problem in Iraq. At the same time, I think there would have been a problem eventually anyway, but I'm not sure the US helped bring about a solution.

What we really need is to develop alternate sources of energy to help decrease our dependancy on oil.

**Fredto** · 01-13-2007, 06:22 AM

The problem is not the leader, it's the way to do things.

Do they asked the people of America if troops should be sent to Iraq? Nope, no referendum. At least, not that I know of.

Governments that claims to be democratic (as in democracy) should make a referendum for that kind of decision.

**Nick204k** · 01-14-2007, 12:19 PM

Kerry would of made things worse...

**MrMoolah** · 01-14-2007, 12:59 PM

thank god for the democrats coming into office, i have heard of many great changes in the works and on the way. Hopefully they can stop bush from sending anoher 21,000 troops to irag. Hopefully they will stop the earliffs which will stop the replublicans from sliding stupid a** bills/laws into other important bills overnight just so they pass, like the one new ones that says credit card companies and banks cannot submit payments to online casino sites, that one pissed me off :-). I worked on my gambling site for several months and it was pretty extensive and finally got down the design i liked and I swear 2 days later, they passed that. i'll end it hear. I could go on forever.

**BamaStangGuy** · 01-14-2007, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMoolah

thank god for the democrats coming into office, i have heard of many great changes in the works and on the way. Hopefully they can stop bush from sending anoher 21,000 troops to irag. Hopefully they will stop the earliffs which will stop the replublicans from sliding stupid a** bills/laws into other important bills overnight just so they pass, like the one new ones that says credit card companies and banks cannot submit payments to online casino sites, that one pissed me off :-). I worked on my gambling site for several months and it was pretty extensive and finally got down the design i liked and I swear 2 days later, they passed that. i'll end it hear. I could go on forever.

You do realize that a Democrat was co sponsor on the Gambling bill in the House :001_rolleyes: Not to mention the bill was widely supported by both parties in a 317 to 93 vote. That's ok though, go on with your Republican rantings. Whatever makes you feel better.

**MrMoolah** · 01-14-2007, 04:55 PM

Im on neither side, I agree and disagree with some of stuff both parties do and don't do. I will look further into that, but I thought I read it was the replublicans pushing for that bill to be passed, i could be wrong.

**Nick204k** · 01-14-2007, 07:15 PM

i say we bomb iraq and get it over w.

**BamaStangGuy** · 01-15-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by LifeHit

i say we bomb iraq and get it over w.

I think we have done that.... a couple of times over

**Nick204k** · 01-16-2007, 07:02 PM

yes well lets nuke 'em

**Chris 96 WS6** · 01-18-2007, 03:34 PM

The Iraq war has still cost a fraction of what a lot of other things cost. Social Security and Medicare alone make up more than 1/2 the budget now...somewhere north of $1 trillion a year. That's $1,000,000,000,000 if you need to visualize it. If you want to get angry about the cost of things there's a whole budget you can get up in arms about. Pork Barrel spending and congressional earmarks would be a good place to start.

Government is 23% of GNP today, compared to 18% under Reagan and around 3% 100 years ago. That's a stat that concerns me as I see us in a slow march toward the socialistic nanny state type of government that is prominent in western Europe.

Few realize that when the income tax was instituted in 1913 it only hit the very rich (at that time $200,000/yr) for like 3 or 5% of their income. At several points from the 40's through the 70's the top rate was in excess of 70%, it even got to 90% at one point. That is confiscatory IMO, and is a disincentive for economic growth. Still now, about 50% of earners in this country either pay NO income tax or they get it all back. Even better, some low earners get more money in than they paid in thanks to the earned income tax credit. Another name for that is "welfare", its just disguised in the tax code.

Worries me what happens when we get to the point where most folks don't pay in and therefore don't have a stake in how the money is spent. I think EVERYBODY should have to pay something, even if it is just a little bit. Nothing will ignite that libertarian streak in you like paying in to the IRS in April.

But I digress. We can spend all day ranting about where our tax dollars go but that is frankly: 1. falling on deaf ears because nobody really seems to care how much the govt spends on ANYTHING as long as they get their "fair" share of handouts, and 2. I think objecting to the war because of the monetary cost is to not see the forest for the trees.

Frankly a free and democratic Iraq smack dab in the middle of the mid-east would be a huge thing for global stability and a huge blow to the radical terrorist types. I will be the first to admit there were many mistakes made, but that is true in any war. The mistake now would be to leave and cede the whole thing to to Al Qaeda and the sectarians.

The answer to your ranting is "what price would you pay for freedom?" How can you put a pricetag on security? How much is too much to pay to depose a nasty guy that killed a lot of folks. WWII cost a ton of money too at the time, we went into major debt (War Bonds?) but we did it because the ends were worthy of the sacrifice.

**Nick204k** · 01-19-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris 96 WS6

The Iraq war has still cost a fraction of what a lot of other things cost. Social Security and Medicare alone make up more than 1/2 the budget now...somewhere north of $1 trillion a year. That's $1,000,000,000,000 if you need to visualize it. If you want to get angry about the cost of things there's a whole budget you can get up in arms about. Pork Barrel spending and congressional earmarks would be a good place to start.

Government is 23% of GNP today, compared to 18% under Reagan and around 3% 100 years ago. That's a stat that concerns me as I see us in a slow march toward the socialistic nanny state type of government that is prominent in western Europe.

Few realize that when the income tax was instituted in 1913 it only hit the very rich (at that time $200,000/yr) for like 3 or 5% of their income. At several points from the 40's through the 70's the top rate was in excess of 70%, it even got to 90% at one point. That is confiscatory IMO, and is a disincentive for economic growth. Still now, about 50% of earners in this country either pay NO income tax or they get it all back. Even better, some low earners get more money in than they paid in thanks to the earned income tax credit. Another name for that is "welfare", its just disguised in the tax code.

Worries me what happens when we get to the point where most folks don't pay in and therefore don't have a stake in how the money is spent. I think EVERYBODY should have to pay something, even if it is just a little bit. Nothing will ignite that libertarian streak in you like paying in to the IRS in April.

But I digress. We can spend all day ranting about where our tax dollars go but that is frankly: 1. falling on deaf ears because nobody really seems to care how much the govt spends on ANYTHING as long as they get their "fair" share of handouts, and 2. I think objecting to the war because of the monetary cost is to not see the forest for the trees.

Frankly a free and democratic Iraq smack dab in the middle of the mid-east would be a huge thing for global stability and a huge blow to the radical terrorist types. I will be the first to admit there were many mistakes made, but that is true in any war. The mistake now would be to leave and cede the whole thing to to Al Qaeda and the sectarians.

The answer to your ranting is "what price would you pay for freedom?" How can you put a pricetag on security? How much is too much to pay to depose a nasty guy that killed a lot of folks. WWII cost a ton of money too at the time, we went into major debt (War Bonds?) but we did it because the ends were worthy of the sacrifice.

He knows his stuff.

**Chris 96 WS6** · 01-19-2007, 11:50 AM

I had a politics forum once, LOL.

**GeorgeB** · 01-19-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LifeHit

Kerry would of made things worse...

I'm a moderate liberal democrat and I approve this message. :yes: