General Discussions

**Otherjohn** · 02-15-2007, 06:33 AM

Personally, I see tithe and giving as two seperate things. I tithe 10% of my first fruits. So every payday or payout, I take out 10% and put it asside, then on wed. or sun. (which ever comes first) I give it to the church. Giving, in reguards to money, comes after and is above and beyond tithe.
To me the tithe is Gods anyways, not mine. If I keep it, I am stealing from the Lord.

**Otherjohn** · 02-15-2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by HansAbeuer

Well,i´ve never been to the US so I can only talk about what i´ve heared from our media or friends who already have been over there.My impression is that there are many so called christians who lost the original intention and meaning of christian values like tolerance and brotherly love (no matter what religion or attitude)But I heared about a lot of intolerance in relation to people who are no christians or minorities, like gay people. My impression was that there are a lot of cool people over there, most of them living in the cities and on the other hand there are straight conservative people living in the country with a very tight world view.This always made me wonder.

Sorry,maybe it´s not so easy to understand what i´m trying to say but you can be sure it was even harder for me to write it. I´m going to go for a visit to the states to improve my english (especially when it comes to describing more complex thoughts) and to understand what´s going on over there a little bit better.

The problem in the US, is there is too many people who call themselves Christians and are not. Most think that if you call yourself a Christian and "do good things" you will be a christian and go to heaven. But the fact is that you couldnt be farther away from the truth.

But one thing to note on how a christian should be is; An example concerning a gay person. I should be friends, loving, etc... to them. But I shouldn't condone what they are doing. According to the bible, their actions are a sin. I love the sinner (the person who sinned), hate the sin. Most faux christians hate the sinner and the sin.

**Fredto** · 02-15-2007, 07:59 AM

I don't think God needs money.

As for the Church, it may be useful to have a place to gather in winter, when it's -20 celcius, but in summer, it's useless, since, according to Christians, God created everything, he would be more pleased that you worship him in something that HE created and not a house created by men

And John's got a good point about hating the sinner as well as the sin. I don't know anyone who has never sinned, do you? Like your Lord Jesus said "Throw me the first stone" (or something like that, I've never read the bible in English).

And, as Christians, you have to love everything God created, I suppose, so you have to love gay people, Satan and everything else. Good or "evil".

**rex_b** · 02-15-2007, 11:51 AM

*is staying out of this thread

**Mike** · 02-15-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_b

*is staying out of this thread

*is taking Rex's advice.

**BamaStangGuy** · 02-15-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

*is taking Rex's advice.

*is right there with Rex and Mike

**Fredto** · 02-15-2007, 01:19 PM

Sissies

**Ken** · 02-15-2007, 01:50 PM

Smart :thumbup1:

**rex_b** · 02-15-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredto

Sissies

I use to own ReligiousForums.com , so I know exactly how this is going to turn out.. hehe

**imported_Fred** · 02-15-2007, 02:42 PM

Most Christians who defends the law of tithing as a NT believer (spiritual or otherwise) really haven't done an in-depth study of BIBLICAL tithing. Many NT Tithe disciples pit bull lock onto "will a man rob God" but ignore the tithing law laid out in Deuteronomy that made provision for them to sell the tithe, take the money and => "And thou shalt bestow that money for WHATSOEVER thy soul lustest after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatever thy soul desireth: ..."

If you are going to keep the law, keep the whole law. Review Galatians 5:1-6. Check what v. 4 says: (Amp. version) "If you seek to be justified and declared righteous and to be given a right standing with God through the Law, you are brought to nothing and so seperated (severed) from Christ. You have fallen away from grace (from God's gracious favor and unmerited blessing)."

So, if there is a "Spiritual law of tithing" for the NT believer, there surely must be a "Spiritual law of circumcision" for the NT believer as well, right? (of course not!!!)

You just can't get around the fact that we are no longer under the law, and the fact that Paul nor anyone in the early church taught or collected tithes. If this isn't true, Prove it with NT scripture.

Even historically you find that early church believers did not practice tithing because they understood that Christ fufilled the law.

It's about Giving cheerfully (sparingly or bountifully) as you determine in your heart according to II Cor. 9:6-7.

**wwwSENSERELYcom** · 02-15-2007, 04:27 PM

I once searched for and found a study on the degree of religiousity of nations and their average IQ, there was an inverse correlation and the only nation which was denying this trend was US, because the study found 66% religiousity with about 100 IQ.
Most high national average IQ have low degree of religiousity and the way around. This is also to be correlated with economic developpement.

Oh, about the Tithe, everybody can do what they want, and every christian can call the others less christians than them, because who cares really except for a few christians?

**Hobbit** · 02-15-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

*is right there with Rex and Mike

Same here. =)

**Nintendo** · 02-16-2007, 02:47 AM

*Keeps mouth shut and walks away.*

**GeorgeB** · 02-16-2007, 09:05 PM

Yup, I own AgnosticForums.com so no one wants to hear what I have to say anyway

**imported_illusion** · 02-17-2007, 06:10 AM

Why did the thread just start with otherjohn quoting HansAbeur?

**LeeD** · 02-19-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rex_b

I use to own ReligiousForums.com , so I know exactly how this is going to turn out.. hehe

Haha, you are a trip! Love you man!

**Hexation** · 02-19-2007, 04:40 PM

Please refrain from using my name, God. :P

I will stay out of this one too.

**rex_b** · 02-19-2007, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lee

Haha, you are a trip! Love you man!

I do what I gotta do when I gotta do it - Rex

haha

**handsome rob** · 02-19-2007, 05:29 PM

I consider myself Christian, I believe in charitable giving to those in need (not to organizations that pay no taxes and spend millions on their gold/glass/marble worship palace), and I don't believe in modern "church"