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Old 04-25-2008, 01:19 AM Poetry is spam...?
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I've been doing a lot of work on spam filtration lately. It pretty much all comes down to statistical and linguistic analysis. A lot of spam is written by machines; you see a lot of random words, or semi-coherent noun-verb sentences. There's no tense: run, running, ran... There's no stemming: run, runner.

Bayesian inference works fairly well on poetry, but look at the linguistics, and the software has a really hard time. Poetry tends to show a lot of artistic license. There can be a lot of repetition, repetition, repetition ... to bring home a point, or for alliteration. Rhythm and cadence are more important than grammar. The software just can't cope.

If you didn't know any better, and only had linguistic clues to go on ... would you think this was spam?

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When, in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes,
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And look upon myself, and curse my fate,
Wishing me like to one more rich in hope,
Featured like him, like him with friends possessed,
Desiring this man's art and that man's scope,
With what I most enjoy contented least;
Yet in these thoughts myself almost despising,
Haply I think on thee—and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For thy sweet love rememb'red such wealth brings
That then I scorn to change my state with kings.

When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes
Sonnet 29
William Shakespeare
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Old 04-25-2008, 11:17 AM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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no, it has stems, not computer generated
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Old 04-25-2008, 06:17 PM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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I think any comment or reply that is irrelevant to the OP is considered spam...regardless of whether it's coherent or not.

However, I do know that text really is a sonnet from Shakespeare, so obviously it's not computer generated. But, if I didn't know that, I'd think it would be extremely hard for any algorithm to generate coherent rhymes in any language, much less English, considering the many variations in spelling and pronunciation of those key words. A real person would have to input them for the program to generate. A time consuming task for just one person (assuming only one person coded it).

Not too long ago, I searched for a rhyme generator for a project and could not find anything reliable or usable.
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Old 04-27-2008, 05:59 PM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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I searched for a rhyme generator for a project and could not find anything reliable or usable
I guess you didn't find this one then ( or maybe you did )
computer-generated-poetry.tomo.lt
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:55 PM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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I guess you didn't find this one then ( or maybe you did )
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Man, that is just awful!!! It makes absolutely no sense!
However, it has some similarities to the spam I get in my inbox.
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Old 04-27-2008, 07:04 PM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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If the spam filter you are using is heuristics, most probably it can be considered spam . Computers aren't as smart as humans, at least more humans....thats the problem.
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Old 05-06-2008, 02:58 AM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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Huh? I am completely lost. tell me more on how that poetry is a form of spam?
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:28 AM Re: Poetry is spam...?
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i dont think that a poetry is a spam..it doesnt affect the users..
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