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I'm not sure what criminal charges you can pursue, but if his address is NY, contact the NYS Attorney General's office. Living in NY I can tell you that they do follow up on internet fraud.

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I would use the IP of his nameservers and try to find the host that's using them.

Being a web host, I can tell you that if we received such an email - with a sufficient amount of proof - the account would be suspended almost immediately.

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No surprise there then.

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act & Google's position on the DMCA

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Excuse me if I'm being dense, but...
So, his site is a proxy that is directed to your site.
In which way is this a hijacking ? It's not that he defamed your site.
He access it through a proxy.
It don't look much a protest to me. I surely won't do that if I was to defame another site. I would put a screen capture or something similar, but not send it more traffic that it already have.

Anyway, rather than blocking him, why don't you turn it against him if you don't want him to access your site data through a proxy ?
I don't remember where, but I've seen something similar some months ago, where an affiliate was displaying another affiliate web site through a proxy.
Rather than blocking the proxy, it was directed to a special page, explaining to the peoples accessing the fake site why it was fake, and giving instructions and link to the real one.

Don't block the access to potential interested users, redirect them to a specific page/section of your site giving them instruction how to go to your site directly.
Or filled up with insults, I let that to your imagination....

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It is good, I believe, that you checked to make sure I am awake at the wheel.

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Originally Posted by tripy Excuse me if I'm being dense, but... So, his site is a proxy that is directed to your site. In which way is this a hijacking ? It's not that he defamed your site. He access it through a proxy. It don't look much a protest to me. I surely won't do that if I was to defame another site. I would put a screen capture or something similar, but not send it more traffic that it already have.

His website name is blah-blah-blah-protesttheevent.com

The home page of his website is all about protesting the event etcetera, etcetera.

Think of it like this tripy. Say you start your own business selling real *ur coats. Say you expend tremendous resources(time, money, planning, thinking ahead, whatever your idea of resources is, etcetera) building and launching a website that actually starts to attract some good traffic to it(the website and business that you spent the aforementioned resources on). Now say, hypothetically, that *eta-*ur-coat-sellers-murder-animals.com does what this "guy" has done. So when Mr. and Mrs. "wonderful-customer-who-are-free-to-buy-*ur-coats-if-they-want-last-time-you-checked" search Google, or any other search engine, they get SERP with your website because you expended tremendous resources for, among other things, search engine optimization, PPC, etc. However, the SERP include your webpages exploited, stolen/hijacked?, and shown on *eta-*ur-coats-murder-animals.com/http/your-site.com. So Mr. and Mrs. "wonderful-customer-who-are-free-to-buy-*ur-coats-if-they-want-last-time-you-checked" end up offended and simply go to another of the millions of companies that sell *ur coats from a website and buy from another business. In fact, it becomes obvious to you that in many cases customers might see the *eta-*ur-coats-murder-animals.com/http/your-site.com pages instead of your pages SOLEY because, obviously, the search engines consider *eta-*ur-coats-murder-animals.com/http/your-site.com and your-site.com to be one and the same since this "guy" has, it seems, managed to easily game them by using a perl script(CGIProxy) or something. Among other things that "guy", who bought his protest domain name, etcetera, 3 months ago is ONLY getting traffic based on what he is stealing/has stolen from you. The search engines send him traffic because they believe he is you AND, as I attempted to make clear in the initial post, his protest website "...is being associated or related to my website because he is stealing/hijacking my website and webpages" in the SERP.

If that makes it more clear now imagine this guy's cousin coming along 3 months ago and renting a utility closet next to the bricks and mortar storefront you worked hard and sacrificed to establish. Now lets say he breaks a hole right through the wall adjoining your bricks and mortar store to his utility closet. Now lets say he puts a nice shiny double glass door entrance up from the street into his utility closet AND easily succeeds in making potential customers believe that his utility closet with a double glass door entrance is just another entrance into the bricks and mortar storefront you worked hard and sacrificed to establish. But when potential customers walk into his utility closet's double glass door entrance, because they think he is you and they can see your merchandise because he broke a whole in the adjoining wall, YOU never see them and he profits.

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Originally Posted by tripy Anyway, rather than blocking him, why don't you turn it against him if you don't want him to access your site data through a proxy ? I don't remember where, but I've seen something similar some months ago, where an affiliate was displaying another affiliate web site through a proxy. Rather than blocking the proxy, it was directed to a special page, explaining to the peoples accessing the fake site why it was fake, and giving instructions and link to the real one. Don't block the access to potential interested users, redirect them to a specific page/section of your site giving them instruction how to go to your site directly. Or filled up with insults, I let that to your imagination....

Now one of the reasons I am asking on these forums tripy is "a simple method for me to redirect his webpage...when he tries to show my webpage on his website".

But, at the same time tripy, I am busy trying to mind/run my own business(remember, the real one he is stealing from) in these difficult economic times AND I really do not have 10 minutes to be playing around with, in my opinion, "identity thieves like him". Yes, I am asking on these forums for a potential means of redirecting his website when it tries to display my content, but I feel I must be careful. Currently I am light years away from being an expert web developer; I do not want to "play with the devil" too much and end up getting burned.

Right now I just have the IPs for his name servers blocked because, as I am sure you can see after my whole *eta-*ur-coats-murder-animals.com/http/your-site.com analogy, there is an urgent need for me to get this guy's website out of my SERP.

Incidentally, the way this guy has a location proxy(he is using CGIProxy) field setup on his website you can put a URL into that location proxy field: and have it go to that page. Obviously, since Google has cached pages of his website with my webpages showing he has had my webpage/website in his proxy field for some considerable time. He, either, defaults to my webpage/website or not many have visited his site since he put my website into his location proxy field. It is also becoming clear to me that he probably set the proxy up this way in order to be able to say that any visitor to his website could have set it to my webpage/website.

Anyway, someone may possibly have just set that page to an Interpol URL detailing Interpol's crackdown on, among other things, identity theft.

Interpol is, from what I understand, the world's largest such organization. I have got to believe that such a big shot organization doing what they do will see his site "proxy" their content almost immediately if someone possibly just set his site to proxy an Interpol URL.



I am going to Google search "block CGIProxy(jmarshall.com/tools/cgiproxy/) abuse".

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Ok, without having every information, I was just asking.
1 question: Sometime proxy server allow to strip out javascript. Does his site do that, or is javascript still enabled?

if it's enabled, add this to your html pages:
This checks that the site the user has loaded in his browser is 'www.yoursite.com', and if it is not, it will redirect the browser url to it.
It will not work if the proxy strip out javascript, but why not try it.
A maybe alternate way would be to have a flash file that does that, it would not be stopped by the "disable javascript" option.
But I never did flash...

Second, if you know this guy ip, you can use it in server side programming (like PHP) to say "if this user ip is $bannedIp, then display him this page"
But this depends on how your site is made. Pure html, php, coldfusion, jsp, .net...

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No question is too dumb to not be answered, bu the context makes an important difference.
I was honnestly trying to understand what was annoying you.
That, and English is not my native language. So sometimes, some impicit statements can be "lost in translation" to me.
But now it's clear.

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I also have tried to minimize PHP on this particular website because I believe, among other things, based on PHP based websites that I have seen, poorly or inefficiently implemented PHP can slow down the perceived speed my website visitors experience and I believe PHP can, when poorly or inefficiently implemented, result in a site with lower/worst search engine rankings, etcetera, than the same site that, either, has no PHP or efficiently/well implemented PHP.

Yes and no..
Yes, a badly implemented PHP code can hammer the server and slow it down.
But no, PHP has nothing to do with the outputted quality of the HTML. If the programmer knows what he is doing, there will be no differences.

If you already have a partially PHP enabled site, you could try this:
Create an empty file named checkIp.php, with this code:

PHP Code:

<?php
$bannedIp="put the banned ip here";
$remoteIp=($_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARD_FOR'])?$_SERVER['HTTP_X_FORWARD_FOR']:$_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'];

if($bannedIp==$remoteIp){
  header('location:/specialPageForProxy.html');
  exit();
}
?>

This will compare the browser user ip with the ip you marked as being the proxy one, and redirect the browser to a specific page.

Now, to enable this script, you have 2 solutions:
1) you edit the pages you want to do that check one by one, and you include

HTML Code:

<?php include($_SERVER['DOCUMENT_ROOT']."/checkIp.php");?>

at the top of each files. This will import that code into the page, and effectively check for the origin ip.
If the files are named with an .htm or .html extension, they will need to be renamed to php.
Possibly a bit or url_rewrite can be involved to make the urls that ends with .html to be transparently redirected to .php, thus no changes visible for google and co.

2) You put in an .htacess file, at the root of yur web site, this:

Code:

php_admin_value auto_prepend_file /var/www/path_to/checkIp.php

where /var/www must be found out (with an phpinfo() call for exemple) because it's related to the server.
This way, the checkIp.php will be called before any .php script on any php pages of the site.
This may be too much, because if you don't take care, you can deny access to the file that says that the access is denied, but avoiding this is pretty simple.

I am not too precise here, because there are a lot of little things to do to implement them, and for each of them I would need to ask you a question.
PM me if you want me to help you further (I mean, to adapt this code and set it up).
I'm usually busy enough not to look for freelancing, but this should be a matter relatively quickly fixed.

I'm living in Europ though, and heading home now. I'll spend the next couple of hours with the kid, and look later here.
I'm usually online around 9:30 PM (GMT +2)

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No, you can't have him (or her or them?) arrested, because (1) it sounds like they live in the United States, and (2) they haven't committed a criminal act under US law. In a reply to Tripy, you called your experience identity theft - it's shady and underhanded, but it's not identity theft. Your content for search real estate and your identity to request fraudulent credit leaving you owing thousands of dollars, are very different things. One is a felony, the other is a civil case. I'm pointing this out because a clear head is one of the tools you need in this kind of thing.

You've blocked the web site from accessing yours, so, half the battle is already won. What happens when you go to this web site now and try to access yours through it? Either it will show a cached version (if it's a very clever proxy), or, in all likelihood, it will say the page is unavailable. You've probably already taken the wind out of their sails. Follow up by filing a DMCA request against the web host (they'll either cut the web site immediately, or request more proof from you) and with Google, to have the offending domain pulled out of the SERPs.

On that note, you said that you're so concerned about copyright that you don't allow the search engines to cache your pages. This means you won't be able to come up in the sarch results. With that in mind, you can't be surprised that another copy of your site would score well in search engines! I don't really understand why you would be so upset that somebody is competing with you in an arena where you refuse to compete? If SERPs are important to you, it makes sense to allow search engines to work with you. Maybe I misread?

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Talk to him and his hosting provider and very kindly ask him/them to stop, if they don't then you may be able to go after him with legal action.

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it takesd a long to time to get him arrested..

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