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**Member8237** · 06-23-2010, 12:51 PM

In my personal opinion owning a pet is like restraining a life-form and forcing it into unnatural company. Imagine being trapped for life by a giant of a different species and being forced all kinds of sounds from it and facial expressions that appear to be from affection but you know you don't want it. I believe in hunting and eating meat, but you don't see animals trapping other animals and then getting those animals "gifts". I'd like to debate.

Paul

**chrishirst** · 06-23-2010, 01:04 PM

Actually you do see this kind of behaviour

Ants "farm" aphids then "preen" and protect them.

Sharks and the Remora.

**Member8237** · 06-23-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Actually you do see this kind of behaviour

Ants "farm" aphids then "preen" and protect them.

Sharks and the Remora.

Do the ants protect the aphids for life? Perhaps there's possible benefit(s) that the aphids bring to the ants.

Sharks and Remora could possibly be using each other's unique characteristics to protect each other or/and hunt effectively as a team. How much is really known about their partnership?

**Giselle** · 06-23-2010, 02:21 PM

Would that would also include Zoo's and Circus's?

**Member8237** · 06-23-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Giselle

Would that would also include Zoo's and Circus's?

Yeah. There's really nothing entertaining anyway about how the animals are used in either of those places; it serves no spark of interest whatsoever, for a typical person, lol, or a the animals themselves to see humans dully staring at them or being too easily impressed by them for no reason.

**chrishirst** · 06-23-2010, 02:30 PM

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Do the ants protect the aphids for life? Perhaps there's possible benefit(s) that the aphids bring to the ants

Yep The ants feed on the secretions of the aphids.

The Remora clean the shark's body, and get rewarded with food.

It's not a symbiotic relationship but a co-operative relationship, as it is with domesticated animals.

Dogs and cats can keep away vermin in return for the protection of humans.

**colbyt** · 06-23-2010, 02:43 PM

My dog would not last 48 hours in the wild. Many modern pets have the survival instinct completely bred out of them.

Now, when it comes to attempting to make a pet out of a wild animal, I can and do agree with you 100%.

My wife and I spend a good bit of money feeding the finches each year. I enjoy watching them free and flying far more then I would enjoy one of them in a cage inside my house.

**Member8237** · 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Yep The ants feed on the secretions of the aphids.

The Remora clean the shark's body, and get rewarded with food.

It's not a symbiotic relationship but a co-operative relationship, as it is with domesticated animals.

Dogs and cats can keep away vermin in return for the protection of humans.

How did "domesticated" begin? That's what I wanna know. For instance animals have obviously been used by humans for food and transportation, when where did this forced affection come from along with then feeding those animals as if you're doing them a favor, and restraining them to your own living conditions come from? Seems like a form of abuse to me. It seems innocent to certain people because it's the "norm", however good of a reason that it..

And I didn't think of dogs and cats as bodyguards...when did that "cooperative" contract take place?

**Member8237** · 06-23-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by colbyt

My dog would not last 48 hours in the wild. Many modern pets have the survival instinct completely bred out of them.

Now, when it comes to attempting to make a pet out of a wild animal, I can and do agree with you 100%.

My wife and I spend a good bit of money feeding the finches each year. I enjoy watching them free and flying far more then I would enjoy one of them in a cage inside my house.

Who bred it out of them, and why?

Btw I have nothing against feeding animals once in a while lol.

**Blake123** · 06-23-2010, 04:04 PM

Guys, I `ve remembered some thing about ants - Did you know that they never sleep at all

**Member8237** · 06-23-2010, 04:19 PM

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Guys, I `ve remembered some thing about ants - Did you know that they never sleep at all

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**scorpionboerne** · 06-23-2010, 08:37 PM

First of all, I have a very happy and affectionate cat. I treat her as a kid. She protects my daughter from poisoness insects. Are you not aware of service animals who help people walk or see or get them things when they are unable? Or the animals that go to make dying patients have something to smile about? Think about what you are asking. Animals are healing to our souls. When Im having a bad day or crying my kitty comforts me. She's very spoiled and like I said i love her like one of my kids!
The Ancient Egyptians were some of the first to domesticate cats! They Idolized them like some countries idolize cows.

Steph

**Knight13** · 06-24-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Member8237

In my personal opinion owning a pet is like restraining a life-form and forcing it into unnatural company. Imagine being trapped for life by a giant of a different species and being forced all kinds of sounds from it and facial expressions that appear to be from affection but you know you don't want it. I believe in hunting and eating meat, but you don't see animals trapping other animals and then getting those animals "gifts". I'd like to debate.

Paul

You are against animals having a good life with someone who loves them (most of the time), but you are for a person shooting an animal in its head then butchering it and eating it?

If i was an animal i would take the food and shelter over the killing and butchering.

**ThailandForum** · 06-24-2010, 12:48 PM

Nothing wrong with keeping a family pet in a tiny little cage and showing it love and affection till it is fat enough to BBQ and eat

**Member8237** · 06-24-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by scorpionboerne

First of all, I have a very happy and affectionate cat. I treat her as a kid. She protects my daughter from poisoness insects. Are you not aware of service animals who help people walk or see or get them things when they are unable? Or the animals that go to make dying patients have something to smile about? Think about what you are asking. Animals are healing to our souls. When Im having a bad day or crying my kitty comforts me. She's very spoiled and like I said i love her like one of my kids!
The Ancient Egyptians were some of the first to domesticate cats! They Idolized them like some countries idolize cows.

Steph

You’ve made some good points, like dogs being used for blind people, but what I mean is primarily having pets for the purpose of “affection”. For instance, the pet would serve as no other function but as a “mental support system”, so to put it, THAT’S what I’m trying to find the origins about. It seems doubtful that if the Egyptians domesticated cats, they did it for the reason I just mentioned. Are you saying that they viewed them as God-like? Why would they?
And second of all, your cat is happy and affectionate just because you claim that it is?

**Member8237** · 06-24-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Knight13

You are against animals having a good life with someone who loves them (most of the time), but you are for a person shooting an animal in its head then butchering it and eating it?

If i was an animal i would take the food and shelter over the killing and butchering.

Meat-eating is done by animals themselves.

Animal-trapping for "affection" is not something you see done by typical animals. And is a dragged out existence of likely unwanted attention and deprivation of general freedom really worse than a shot to the head? Consider how many years such an existence could last, I bet ya there are certain animals that would RATHER be dead. Certain people try to speak for their animals and say that the animals "must be happy" or "are just fine" when actually they're ignoring, or are ignorant of, the bigger picture. Tell me that limited space for living that's not even natural to you and being dragged with a leash along with a couple giants "praising" you even if you don't want it at all and watch your whole opinion of pet "ownership" chance.

**ThailandForum** · 06-24-2010, 02:03 PM

Doesn't matter once we get them on the BBQ, grilled dog ribs anybody?

**scorpionboerne** · 06-24-2010, 02:37 PM

My cat shows me love everyday! She greets me at the door when I get home and rubs on me and purrs. It is proven that animals help people with thier affection. And also the healing process. Thats why they let animals into terminally ill patient rooms! So do you feel that it's alright for slaughter houses to keep chickens caged from when they hatch to where thier feet dont develop? Then you eat them. That's legal animal abuse! Is that ok? Im sorry but I totally have to disagree! I dont eat meat for that reason! You eat abused animals! At least I can say my cat isnt abused!

Steph

**Knight13** · 06-24-2010, 03:15 PM

So what do you think should be done with all the pets people has already, just let them go and wander around the neighborhoods?

**colbyt** · 06-24-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ThailandForum

Nothing wrong with keeping a family pet in a tiny little cage and showing it love and affection till it is fat enough to BBQ and eat

I have some corn feed squirrels that will be ready to harvest about August 15. Bring your pellet gun and come on over.

Guess I will have to tell the wife it is fried chicken.