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Old 02-23-2006, 11:07 AM Tables
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Hey folks, not sure where to post this so just stuck it in here. I have seen around on a number of forums and chat rooms people saying that designers that use tables on their websites are out of date and the tables should be used only for data not in the actual design of the site. Browsing around the internet daily I have noticed more and more sites are actually using tables in their designs (epically ones with a high number of graphics and visually stimulating to the eye). So surly if more and more are using them then they must be coming back into 'fashion' so to speck.

I personal use iframes if the website I’m putting together has a high number of graphics what do you lot think?

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Old 02-23-2006, 11:53 AM Re: Tables
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Twiggy people still do use tables for design, but for a variety of reasons it's better to use css for layout and presentation.

Tables were never meant to be used the way they have been when they were introduced in html. They were originally inteded to structure data as you've mentioned. Using tables for layour of graphics was basically a hack, a very clever hack, and for years worked well to present visually appealing designs.

css is capable of creating those same designs now. In fact I'll say you can do more with css than you ever could with tables. css tyically uses less code to get the same layout as well, making it much easier to maintain a site or make changes to the design.

Not everyone agrees, but I think css also has seo benefits. The lighter code makes it easier for search engines to spider your site and it's possible that because there is less code your content becomes more prominent.

Many of the table designs you see aren't new. If anything more and more css sites are appearing every day and many that are still using tables do so because they haven't taken the time to learn css.

Also graphics aren't what makes a good site. One of the best benefits of using css is that you tend to use less graphics which speeds up your site considerably. The number one complain of people probably since the first day of the internet is that sites take too long to load. It should be a goal of every site to reduce the time it takes the site to display in a browser. css will help a lot here.

As for iframes they do have some use, but I wouldn't really recommend them as there are usually better ways to achieve the same effect.
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Old 02-24-2006, 04:26 AM Re: Tables
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I'd agree with pretty much all of that...
I'm a big beleiver in using things for what they were meant to be used for, and not using hacks. I stopped using table layouts as soon as I found out I had a better alternative. I also never use frames... more trouble than they're worth.
I wouldn't say that table layouts were coming 'back into fashion' though. The general consensus on this forum seems to be to switch to CSS layouts.
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Old 02-24-2006, 06:15 AM Re: Tables
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Ill join the non-table collective. Not to say never to use tables, of course for tabular data its still the best option. The best thing to remember is keeping content as seperate from presentation as possible. So when you are going to use tables, ask yourself if it is for use in content (a table of data) or if you are trying to use it for presentation purposes (which is very very bad. shame. you can better use CSS) then you should be OK.
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