General Discussions

**tantantin** · 04-07-2006, 06:08 AM

I have been watching C-Span for the last 3 days about the Immigration Bill on Illegal Foreign Workers in the US. Does anyone have any idea on the subject ? I would love to hear the pros and cons if possible.

Thanks

**jyoz22** · 04-07-2006, 04:11 PM

I my self have yet to decide wether it's a good or bad thing because there are points in both sides...

**balzak** · 04-10-2006, 11:23 PM

Anyone think that it is cutting in line?

Anyone else think that everyone who wants in this country should have to do it legally, and people shouldn't be treated special just because they were able to sneak in?

**balzak** · 04-10-2006, 11:24 PM

With that said, it's hard to really formulate an opinion without knowing the points of both sides.

**JohnJ** · 04-11-2006, 08:39 AM

My personal opinion is that the Congress doesn't have the guts to solve this problem yet.

I believe the only solution is to make it a felony (and vigorously enforce it) for anyone to hire an illegal. If the jobs dry up the illegals will stop coming...

Probably wouldn't hurt the economy one bit to see a dozen or so CEOs try to collect thier $500,000,000 dollar annual bonus from Levenworth either.

**CasaPages** · 04-12-2006, 01:25 AM

I'm a bit biased on the subject since my best friend was killed by illegal immigrants.... They pulled out in front of him on his motorcycle and then panicked backed into the car behind them, realizing there was no way out they ran him over....This happend during rush hour and the other motorists on the road chased them down and held them until the police came...they spoke no English....

However I also know some people that are immigrants from Mexico and they are very hard working nice people that want to live in the USA and contribute to society...granted most of those people came here the proper way and are working on their citizenship....

I feel that if you come here the right way the way our country started and you work hard and not try to make us conform to your ways (i mean way did you come here if you want it to be like where you left) then I have no problems...

Lets see an American citizen go to another country and demand they learn English (if it isn't the native language) force that country to support them and to give them medical coverage...It's not going to happen....

How about this idea why leave you country to come here how about work towards making your country better....I know easier said then done, but hey Rome wasn't built in a day...

Oh and you know what happened to the two illegal immigrants that killed my friend? They got deported..........I wouldn’t be surprised if they where back here soon after....

**Kane Hill** · 04-12-2006, 07:56 AM

There are always points to both sides. But there is a right and wrong way of doing things. I live around alot of the "Foreign Workers" and yes they will do jobs that we wont do. Thats fine, but they also live a life we wouldn't either. When these "Foreign Workers" are not doing their jobs they are drunk, rude and just plain ugly. They drink beer for lunch and thay talk like pigs to females. I see it first hand on a daily bases. You try and say something to them and they act like or they just don't know english. Nothing good cn come of this.

When people work to get into a country they repect it more. Kinda of like handing a 16 year old a car. If you just give it to them they tend to crap it out. They work for it and they care for it a bit better.

Just my 2cents

**Minaki** · 09:49 AM

That's a good analogy Kane Hill...
(From a UK point of view...)
I agree with most of the points here. It seems to me that the sort of people who have sympathy for illigal immigrants and want to welcome them with arms wide open have never had any experience living with them.
I used to work in Croydon, round the corner from the Immigration & Nationality Directorate. There was always a big long line of immigrants outside generally causing hassle, being loud & obnoxious, spitting, fighting, making lurid comments at passing females... a few of people I knew from Croydon had been mugged, usually at knife or gunopoint.
On the other hand I have a friend from India who's over here legally - and he's one of the nicest guys I know.

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Oh and you know what happened to the two illegal immigrants that killed my friend? They got deported..........I wouldn’t be surprised if they where back here soon after....

Deported?? Christ, if that happened in the UK, the people who chased down the immigrants would probably be prosecuted and made to pay out 'emotional distress' damages to the immigrants as well as probably being branded 'racist'.

Political correctness is one of my biggest bugbears about the whole immigration thing...
- In a certain primary school, kids aren't allowed to sing 'Baa baa black sheep' any more - it had to be changed to 'Baa baa rainbow sheep'
- A 10 year old kid was bought before the court for calling another kid a 'paki' The judge postponed the case, urging the crown prosecution service to reconsider - then got accused of inciting racial hatred or something like that.
- Bibles are being withdrawn from hotels, festive decorations are beeing taken down, in case they 'offend other religios groups'

Anybody in favour of this politically correct bs needs to be shot. There's far bigger issues in the world that we need to get sorted out before we start to debate what colour an imaginary sheep is.

</rant> (Sorry I'm going a bit off topic aren't I

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**Jake** · 04-14-2006, 12:35 AM

A wall needs to be built.
Armed military guards need to be placed.
Current illegals need to be deported.
Curreny employers of illegals need to be thrown in jail.
The Mexican border needs to be closed indefinately.
All Spanish on signs/packages/books need to be removed.

There, problem solved. If mexicans want 'a better life', tough luck. That is Mexico's problem, not ours. Instead of sending their people here, they should be working more to better THEIR country, not trash ours.

Survival of the fittest needs to be put back into place.

**jyoz22** · 04-14-2006, 03:24 PM

I 100% DISAGREE WITH JAKE
What about the 10 Million Chininese?

I did a report on illegal immigration, and the chinise are up their, so are the CANADIANS? and Phillipines? and other countries (mostly south american)

Who will build the wall? Mexicans

**colbyt** · 04-14-2006, 07:47 PM

Forgive me. This pretty much summarizes my feeling on the subject.

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**gizmotron** · 04-15-2006, 05:06 PM

This seems very simple to me. By allowing employers to have access to cheaper workers those employers can outbid or outsell their competitors. So why not use them. They must use cheaper workers or eventually go out of business. This is exactly what happened in California over the past 15 years. Jobs once held by willing Americans have been driven to this new class "of the willing." It is no wonder. The price for a construction worker has continually been driven downward based on the laws of supply and demand. Now we see this happening all over the country and now it is having enough of an effect that the reduced wages has effected the amount of tax revenues.

So what can be a solution now that jobs and the price of a workers have been cut into in such a degree that the problem has now become something that must be dealt with? It's very simple. If we actually do need more workers then why not offer them to those that have gone to the trouble of getting into line legally. If it is bodies that we want here then why not those that have played by the rules. After all you end up getting the bodies, if actually needed, and you get them by rewarding the proper immigration process.

If we don't actually need low paying workers then we need a solution for all employers to get a level playing field. The employers in America need to compete by employing legal workers all at the same time and not a few industries at a time.

So in conclusion those wishing to become citizens through emigration should be the new work force through proper documentation and immigration processes. Those that can't find work need to go back and get in line. Americans should be allowed to take the jobs first before considering hiring immigrants that have come here legally.

The key to all this is the employer, and the fare needs of the employer. If you throw a few employers into jail for hiring illegals then it will level the competitive needs of fare play. It will also put an end to the destructive aspects of driving wages down.

my 2 cents