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**brians** · 12-29-2006, 11:21 PM

Iraqi Government Executes Former Dictator.
Was execution a just punishment for Saddam?

**stOx** · 12-30-2006, 12:28 PM

Sure... But only if it's also a just punishment for bush and blair.

Nobody can doubt that the things that saddam done were very bad.
But is the way to bring peace, civility and democracy to a country really by allowing them to hang thier old leader for crimes which, When compared to what our leaders and armies are doing, Don't seem that bad afterall?

**dansgalaxy** · 01-01-2007, 07:09 PM

okay now im not pro war or bush for that matter... but i think you have to see that the sentence was nothing to do with bush or blair.

the were doing "peace keeping". and when saddam was captured he was handded over and given a FAIR trail (in which loads of witnesses were murderd by his people.)
iraq have differant laws to the uk and US and when you think we would have had the lethal injection or something like that if he was prosecuted in the usa and most definatly life imprisionment without anychance of bail. so when you think about it it was probally equivilent to if he was prosecuted in one of these countries, other than maybe more witnesses would be alive and there for he would have probally been convitced of worse...

and yes if blair was convicted of killing somein like 30+ people have 100's of people torrued (sometimes to death, im sure he would have been punished in much the same way.)

dan

me?... opinionated?... NO...

**Republikin** · 01-01-2007, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stOx

Sure... But only if it's also a just punishment for bush and blair.

Nobody can doubt that the things that saddam done were very bad.
But is the way to bring peace, civility and democracy to a country really by allowing them to hang thier old leader for crimes which, When compared to what our leaders and armies are doing, Don't seem that bad afterall?

I would ask you if you were really kidding and had some common sense as to matter but I doubt this would really get me anywhere.

Saddams own torture videos

Kind of makes some underwear on someones head pointless eh...

**stOx** · 01-02-2007, 05:06 AM

It's a bit hypocritical to condemn killing at the same time as we are murding thousands.

**Republikin** · 01-02-2007, 08:43 AM

I think we see murder as two different things. I really don't view war, in general, as murder. We have a purpose, whether you agree with it or not, and we try to avoid killing civilians. A murderer, like Saddam, purposefully attacked civilians and tortured them, killing man woman and child with chemical weapons.

**boomers** · 01-02-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stOx

Sure... But only if it's also a just punishment for bush and blair.

Hell... why not throw in a few other world leaders while we're at it?

- The reigns of Saddam, Bush and Blair are hardly comparable!

**stOx** · 01-02-2007, 04:24 PM

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The reigns of Saddam, Bush and Blair are hardly comparable!

Why not? because one fascist regime is funded with our tax money and the other is on the other side of the planet?

It's estimated that 180,000 iraqis have died sinse the begining of the war.
And considering that there isn't actually an iraqi army to fight these are all civilians, With a lof of them being children. By the time this war has finished saddams death toll will look petty compared to our own.

Think about it, If someone attacked america and you stood up and faught them, would that make you a "terrorist" or "insurgent"? These are just names we have given people because it makes it sound like it's good that we killed them. When really what happened is we murdered people who were sticking up for themselves during an invasion of a soverign nation which had an elected leader.

Besides, Anyone who says that the reasons for this war were noble needs to have a serious reality check.

You have all read about the rape and murder charges brought against american soldiers. So to think saddam deserves the end he recieved and then to say that we are whiter than white is a plain lie.

I'm not saying saddam wasn't a bad person, He was. But so are we.

**Republikin** · 01-02-2007, 07:16 PM

Saying that Saddam was an elected leader just screams ignorance to the matter. If you really believe that then there is no hope of talking sense to you.

**stOx** · 08:55 AM

Well he was elected like Bush was, In a fixed election, but i don't see you screaming that bush wasn't "elected". There is a huge double standard in the way people think. It's makes no sense to condemn the killing done by someone else and condonde the killing done in your name and it makes no sense to comdemn the elections in another country while condoning your own countries fixed elections. It's called hypocrisy.

By your logic if say, China, Wanted to invade America on the grounds that the Bush administration got into power via a fixed election and on the grounds that a lot of people died at thier hands would you be ok with that?
Or would you stand up, Fight, and say "what the hell has it got to do with them what goes on in my country"?

**Ebusdk** · 01-03-2007, 06:19 PM

I think a problem with the war down there, is we rely on the media to inform us. In this time, you can not trust the media.

Fox, Cnn, BBC ect.ect.ect - they are all in the pocket of some bigger interest.

They control what information and facts are presented to you.

They spend more time displaying the pictures of Saddam hanging there, than they do on presenting the real facts. What led to this in the first place? who armed that guy, who supplied him with arms, who protected him all these years.

I tell you who - the exact same people that is killing the people now.

- Before we were killing the people by supplying Saddam with arms
- Then we killed the people by Enforcing trade embargoes on the nation, because of their leader we put there our self
- Then we went full on war on them

.. and you wonder why they dont trust us? you wonder why they dont see us as liberators? You wonder why they fight back?

I think we went to war for the wrong reason. I agree Saddam should be removed form power, but is this the way to show people down there how democracy works?

If you ask me, the only way we can remove dictators is by giving more to the people than he can take away. And by "giving" I dont mean "send money" - give them opportunity. By restricting trade to a country, you are destroying the nations economical development, and forces people into poverty.

**sherkhan** · 01-04-2007, 11:26 AM

It might be good for the iraqi people but the way he was executed was not good cursing him in his last times also is not a good thing to do