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**hunty** · 05-27-2008, 11:06 PM

Heres what i managed..

http://www.rotate-ireland.com/mess/all.html

Here is my code

Quote:

<HTML>
<HEAD><TITLE>Blah Blah</TITLE>
</HEAD>
<FRAMESET ROWS="16%, *">
<FRAME SRC="2index.html" NAME="top" framespacing="0" frameborder="0" scrolling="no">

<frameset cols="80%,20%" border="0" framespacing="0" frameborder="0">
<frame src="leftbot.html" NAME="left_bot" scrolling="no" />
<frame src="rightbot.html" NAME="right_bot" scrolling="no" />
</frameset>

</FRAMESET>

<NOFRAMES>
There is no frame support on your browser.
</NOFRAMES>
</HTML>

I want all frames none moving and unclcikable, also invisble. as you can see thetop frame is showing? however the 1 between bottom frames is not??

Where am I wrong?

**chrishirst** · 05-28-2008, 06:45 AM

Just get rid of the frames!

**wayfarer07** · 05-28-2008, 12:42 PM

You must be reading an old manual on web development and HTML. Frames are an old-style, hacky method of trying to get better results out of webpages and get around the browser deficiencies of 8-10 years ago, as well as dealing with the limited proliferation of server side languages made especially for web-development, which allow us to easily include one file into another from the server.

Frames should NEVER be the foundation for a webpage, with the web technologies that are available to us today.

**hunty** · 05-28-2008, 01:56 PM

So any ideas what I should do to get what I want?

Thought frames were ok?

**LadynRed** · 05-28-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Thought frames were ok?

Nope, not any more. http://www.webaccessstrategies.com/b...rames-are-bad/

What Wayfarer was pointing out is the use of server-side includes, which can be done with PHP and .NET.

**hunty** · 02:24 PM

K well thats frames scrapped.

I was planning have menu at top , and pics on right frame, which remianed in view when scrolled

So best way is try without frames? php or .net?

Is their code I could work of for that, like script? or have I to know language and wrtie it myself...
Sorry for such beginner questions!

**chrishirst** · 05-30-2008, 06:38 PM

Quote:

So best way is try without frames? php or .net?

Any server side code depends on what your hosting server supports.

**hunty** · 06-05-2008, 04:16 PM

K i haven't cvlue of server side code, is their template for it or anything

?

**wayfarer07** · 05:47 PM

Find out what kind of servers your host uses, and if it is Apache, you will go with PHP. If it is Microsoft servers, sometimes PHP is available, but usually we're talking something different.

In PHP, a server side include is very simple, and works like this:

PHP Code:


			
....your regular HTML....
<?php include "your/file/location.php"; ?>
....more HTML....

For our purposes, all that needs to be at "your/file/location.php" is a file with a snippet of HTML (no header or DOCTYPE, like you would for a frame). You just put whatever you need in that location into the snippet file that you are including. By the time it reaches the browser, it is all one file, as everything is "included" together on the server.

SSI is a very simple concept, and easy to get a hang of.

***ONE MORE NOTE***
Normally, in order to use PHP on a page, the file you are using must have a .php extension, instead of a .html or .htm extension. There are ways around this but normally it is not needed, so name your files 'whatever.php'

**Arenlor** · 06-05-2008, 05:54 PM

To test if you have PHP you can save this line into a file and call it test.php

PHP Code:


			
<?php phpinfo();?>

**hunty** · 06-06-2008, 08:58 AM

Its APACHE as far as I know

I have code on top done, how do i get a seperate part to the right also through php

**wayfarer07** · 06-06-2008, 03:14 PM

May we see exactly what you have so far?

**hunty** · 08:50 PM

this is all i have but with frames

http://www.rotate-ireland.com/mess/all.html (main)

seperate pages are

top menu : http://www.rotate-ireland.com/mess/2index.html
right part : http://www.rotate-ireland.com/mess/rightbot.html
main part : http://www.rotate-ireland.com/mess/leftbot.html just all black at minute

done that php test page too, got large list and what version php it is

**hunty** · 06-08-2008, 09:49 PM

any idea where i go from here?

**chrishirst** · 06-09-2008, 05:01 AM

http://www.webmaster-talk.com/html-f...tml#post731893

**angele803** · 06-09-2008, 01:55 PM

If you have php enabled on your server (which I would venture to guess that you do), then you need to add:

Code:

<?php include("2index.html"); ?>

<?php include("rightbot.html"); ?>

<?php include("leftbot.html"); ?>

where you would normally add the code on every page. You will also need to strip out all the excess code on those pages (2index, rightbot, and leftbot). They do not need the "<html>" or "<body>" etc. They ONLY need to contain the code you are including.

**hunty** · 06-09-2008, 04:39 PM

i see, and how do you position each page, say one to the top, one to bottom left, etc

**vkw91** · 06-09-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hunty

i see, and how do you position each page, say one to the top, one to bottom left, etc

Your best bet is to use CSS, but it depends whether you want a static layout (panel in the centre) or Fluid (Fills the whole page, no matter of the size)

**hunty** · 06-09-2008, 04:56 PM

Fluid, But I think im going to have to scrap it, lost with this phpb and all

thanks everyone though

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