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08-03-2008, 09:42 PM
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Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 9
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Hello Everyone,
I recently decided to go through with a decision to build a website focused around a singular online game. The design of the site would be typical to:
Wowhead
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World of Raids | World of Warcraft News Guides Guilds & Raid Progression
That is merely an example of something I am going for. Those both surround the 'World of Warcraft' game; however I am not going to follow that line my focus is another online game though these pretty much cover the areas that I would like my site to cover ((Integrating them both into one)). Ok, enough of the intro, time for the questions:
1) As far as the 'wowhead' website goes, what would it take to code a database that covers things such as items, quests, zones, etc?
2) As far as the 'worldofraids' website goes, what languages would it take to script a similar website? HTML? PhP? etc?
I have no problem taking care of web-DESIGN and images, I just want to learn how to properly code a website to suite my needs. I would love some direction on the project.
Any assistance would be GREAT. Thanks!
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08-04-2008, 06:10 AM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 42,380
Name: Chris Hirst
Location: Blackpool. UK
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HTML is a markup language NOT a scripting language, and as such has no means of interacting with databases.
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08-04-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Name: Abel Mohler
Location: Asheville, North Carolina USA
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If you go the PHP route, you're probably talking about a combination of HTML, CSS, PHP, and MySQL, at the very least. Quite a bit to learn on your first project.
HTML is on EVERY website. PHP is a way to make HTML dynamic, from the server-side, as well as interact with a database. CSS is for styling HTML. MySQL is a data-structure and set of commands for extracting, inserting data, etc.
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08-04-2008, 09:26 PM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Name: Josh
Location: Ohio
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For something like that you could just use basic html... if your looking for professionality, thats all in the graphics you build. Im not totally sure why you would need a database.
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08-05-2008, 12:41 AM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jrnfl182
For something like that you could just use basic html... if your looking for professionality, thats all in the graphics you build. Im not totally sure why you would need a database.
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Well, I have no problem taking care of the graphics. Mostly the database would be where the 'search' function @ wowhead.com is drawing it's information from.
Wouldn't that qualify as a database?
Thanks everyone for the input, working hard to learn everything. I know decent HTML and the basics of PhP, I just need to get further into it.
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08-07-2008, 12:51 PM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 127
Name: Darren Fox
Location: Illinois
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You can create websites with just html and use a thrid party search feature like a Google Search or FM Site Search which I like working with. Just because you have a search does not mean the site needs to be database driven.
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08-11-2008, 05:34 AM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 25
Name: David Hamsterdam
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You cannot choose from PHP and HTML, if you are going to build a website, you must include PHP, HTML, CSS, AJAX and Javascript. So you must learn them all for you to have a good site. If you are going to be dynamic, Flash will be the best choice.
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08-11-2008, 06:55 PM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 10,815
Name: Steven Bradley
Location: Boulder, Colorado
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The only thing you need to build a website is html or xhtml. You don't need any of the others, but they all add a lot and help make a site better.
Learn html or xhtml first. In fact learn xhtml. From where you sit both are really the same, but xhtml will help make you a better coder. Either will take the same amount of time to learn. Think of xhtml as a stricter version of html that forces you to write better code.
Next learn css. xhtml will be how you structure your pages and css will be for presenting those pages. For example xhtml will have you put your content inside paragraph tags <p></p>. CSS will tell the browser to make the text inside that paragraph green or show it as a certain size of display it in a specific font.
JavaScript is for programming things on the front end. The front end is the browser. In general when you see cool effects like items fading in or out or sliding across the web page it's being done with JavaScript. It doesn't have to be, but it's the likely culprit.
PHP is for programming on the backend. Any server side language like php becomes much more useful when you combine it with a database. PHP is usually associated with MySQL, but there are other language/database combinations.
A lot of backend programming comes down to having a database to store your information and having the server side language read and write to the database.
You won't be able to learn all of the above at once. In fact once you get into all of the above you'll never stop learning them. Things change and there's always new things to learn.
The order I listed above is probably a good way to approach learning them. xhtml is relatively simple to learn. You could reasonably pick it all up in a week. CSS isn't much more difficult to learn the basics, but it can take some experience to use it well, particularly when it comes to site layout. Again not really hard to understand.
JavaScript has one advantage over learning PHP in that you don't need to install PHP on your computer to get it working. Just type away since the magic happens in the browser. It's not necessarily an easier language to work with than PHP, but it'll probably be easier to get started with it.
Hope that helps. Just take each one at a time and start learning.
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08-12-2008, 12:54 AM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 9
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Vangogh,
Thank You!
A many thanks to everyone else, however that was a very helpful reply. I have experience with HTML, and I have actually been learning Xhtml in the mean time while designing the graphics in photoshop.
So now here is another question:
Instead of coding the website on my own, should I perhaps look into finding someone experienced in the field? I of course will continue to learn on my own, but would it be more beneficial to focus my own efforts on -designing- the website, rather than learning all the coding?
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08-12-2008, 04:57 PM
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Re: Looking for some Advice
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Posts: 10,815
Name: Steven Bradley
Location: Boulder, Colorado
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That is really up to you. The main advantage is that you can get the site developed quicker while the downside is you'll likely have to pay soneone to do the work. How soon you want to see the site live and how much money you can afford to spend will obviously lean you one way or the other.
Another option would be to find someone to partner with. I'm not sure if your goals with the site are to make money or if you just want to see the site, but in either case you can partner with someone.
If it is a business site you'll want to find a professional web developer who backs your project since the developer will be taking the risk alongside of you. If the site is more for fun it may not be as important to have it developed professionally since the worst case is you need to build it again, but you'll have learned something your first time around.
The question is really one that depends on you. How important is it to get the site up and running quickly and how important is it to have the site working as best as can be from the start. If time isn't all that important it could be a nice project for your, since it will ultimately require all the skills you want to learn. Sometimes I know I learn better when I have a specific project in front of me and need to figure out how to make it work.
Think about what you want from the site and weight the pros and cons.
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