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Old 11-26-2009, 07:22 AM Help me fix my website please!
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Hello, could anyone help me with my website please??? I'm not really that much of a web designer, but I wanted to make an online gallery for my artwork. I spent months painstakingly illustrating all of the graphics and working on the coding so that it all fit together properly. I then published it to the web, and while it looks good on my computer, other computers don't seem to display the site correctly.

I designed the website on a firefox browser, on a 19" widescreen.
It still looks acceptable on internet explorer 8 on my computer, although it doesn't display the rounded corners or shadows.

On Safari it just looks terrible, putting rounded corners anywhere and everywhere and even displaying background images as differnet colours from the actual background!

But my main
concern is when I look at my website on internet explorer from my work's PCs, the graphics don't seem to fit together at the top. Also the border of the journal doesn't match up with the above and below graphics.





Could this be something to do with the fact that at work the screens are not widescreen? What can I do about it? If anyone is willing to look at my website and its page source and tell me where I'm going wrong, I would very much appreciate it! My website is
http://www.laurasmythart.co.uk

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Laura.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:02 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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I went to your website. It looks great. You must have spent a lot of work on the art and website. It took me a little while to determine how to go to other pages but it works. I'm using Internet Explorer.
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Old 11-26-2009, 11:30 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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I has to do with the fact that you're missing closing tags on at least 3 divs along with a few other invalid markup problems. You should also consider losing the tables for layout, it makes no sense to stick divs inside of tables, you have far more flexibility with your layout without the tables.

Validate your code, fix the missing tags, and then look again. You're using a lot of deprecated tags, like that awful <center> tag that is NOT valid for your doctype.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:34 PM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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Forums use tables for one reason. It's TABULAR DATA!!!!!!!
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Old 11-26-2009, 11:46 PM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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Hey Laura, great looking website. But reading the source code it's easy to see why you are having so many problems. Tables were used alot back in the days before I had a computer... or so I've heard. I started out with DIV's, but read how using tables causes all sorts of problems because older browsers and are especially bad for editing in the future. I would be glad to help you with your website tomorrow when I get home, if you plan to redesign it without tables. But will give you some information to work with - it seems like you put a lot of effort into the site

Anybody here will probably say its best to convert to a div layout. Which isn't necessarily hard to do, but can be time consuming. Of course, it's the same answer if you try to fix the tables for all different browsers. I put your link in for browsershots.org default seletion and many of the lesser-known programs looked very bad, the older version of things like IE and Firefox had problems with centering the bottom panel and spacing them out. Just different problems in each browser.

I use Google Chrome, and the only problem I see is on the elements with rounded corners, all corners are rounded - so it shows the underlying background in places where it shouldn't. You would only notice it if you looked at it though.

Of course, there will be many problems like the screenshots you provided simply because you used tables. Every time you split content with a table, it just adds liability for problems in different browsers. It's best to keep images whole when you can, and only split them up if you need the element to expand or be placed differently. The best way to do it is to use a div.

If you would like to try a div layout

You will likely need to learn how to use DIV's. They are a different concept than using tables for alignment. I would give you a tutorial or some good examples, but I'm on my laptop out of town for thanksgiving. I could google some but... I'll explain how you would use them instead.

Here is an example of how I would lay out the website, with illustrations. Keep in mind that you will lay out the images as backgrounds most of the time, and they do not need to be split up horizontally.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o...lustration.jpg

0: All of the blue boxes are container div's. They just hold the content in place and you build the content within each. Because your site uses images like they are, you should assign these div's a width equal to the size of the images, and then center (using the margin: 0px auto; method). Except for in #2, centering should do most of the work for you.

1: This div is simple, give it a width and center it. You just need to make a child container in here, which can be another div, and give it a width equal to the size of the blue area (minus padding) and center that. Keep in mind, if you use text it will be easy to edit - but browsers without that font will see a plain font and might lose it's charm. Consider embedding the text into the image instead.

2: For the mid-section, you will use one large div wide enough to fit both subsections, then within that you will create two more divs - one for navigation and the other for the content. You can find many methods to align them, but if you make them each half of their container you should be able to use floats.

(I don't know why I labelled these 4 & 5, lol)
2a(4): For the left section, it would be easiest to keep it as a hotlinked-image, and align everything to the center. Note that the <center> tag is deprecated, so instead add to the container "text-align: center", which will work on images as well. If they appear to close to one side you can add padding, but if you add padding to the container you will need to subtract from its width.
2b(5): For the gallery, just use tables. For the paragraph content, what you have will probably work.

6: This should be a div with a background image of the entire journal area. To make the text aligned properly, use padding. You can specify padding in specific directions, something like "padding: 100px 20px 20px 20px;" should work, going in order as TOP RIGHT DOWN LEFT. iirc.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:00 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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You should use Coppermine Gallery for your website - it would've been so much easier, and faster. Kudos for the great looking website, though.
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Old 11-27-2009, 01:55 PM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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Thanks so much everyone for your useful advice and postive comments about my website.

And thank you RadGH for so much help! I really appreciate the all the tips that you've given to me. I will spend some time next week going through each point that you've suggested and trying them out. I'm still very much a newbie when it comes to website building, so I will probably have to read up on a couple of things.

I know that I should avoid tables (which has now been stressed to me even more so!), but found it difficult when designing to get everything aligned. I guess it doesn't help when most of my knowledge of web design comes from a very old edition of Complete Idiots Guide...

Thanks again everyone for the advice.

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Old 11-27-2009, 09:50 PM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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Alright Laura, I converted the majority of the site to a different layout. After you learn how to manipulate it, it should become much easier to understand. It would be a great learning experience for you to do this yourself though.

I submitted it to browsershots.org, and the only problem other browsers had was with the text. If they were missing a font, the replacement font wrapped differently adding an extra line in some cases, making some blank space at the bottom. I fixed this for the top-portion by removing the <BR>, though the copyright at the bottom still has the last word go to the next line in IE6 - IE8 if the computer is missing the font.

http://radgh.com/laura/

dl link: http://radgh.com/laura/laura.zip

I made it obvious what you need to add. You also can copy over some of the <head> tags like meta data and the doctype. Just validated it for the first time, it has one error (missing doctype) and 12 warnings. I think if you make the doctype XHTML the warnings will all go away, and so will the error, and it should validate.

Keep in mind that IE is the worst at rendering. I found it handles padding the worst, though I was able to work around it for everything except the right-page on the book (I used relative positioning instead, with the same effect). You should test your page in both (Firefox & IE) as you edit, and when you are done view them on different browsers/OS's on http://browsershots.org/

You might consider touching up the images, I split them and did some editing myself so they would work better.


Enjoy

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Old 11-28-2009, 01:33 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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you also need to better optimise your images too - and use gifs for things like facebook logos and other things witha limited colour palette.

nice site though apart from the load time (due to the image optimisation)
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Old 11-29-2009, 06:57 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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Radley, I am unable to express my gratitude for the kindness and help that you have given me. It was so much more than I could have expected from anyone. If you send your postal address to my email, I would be happy to send you some prints of my art work (If you would like any).

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Old 11-29-2009, 07:04 AM Re: Help me fix my website please!
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I think you should use %ages instead of pixels that might help in solving your problem.
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