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**danv** · 12-13-2004, 10:52 AM

How can I have a Banner (using an include) positioned a few pixels from the
top of a web page?
I read that you can't use an include if it uses absolute positioning because
the renderer doesn't know how big the include will be within a div. This is
true for my hosting at ipowerweb on Apache.

Is there another way to get the banner at the top of the page using an
include? Can I maybe set the body top padding and top margin to 1 px?

I can't seem to use static positioning correctly as there is a much larger gap that when I use absolute positioning.

Since Includes are the fastest way to load my 12 pages that look similar (I
think).
I plan on using 4 includes. A banner, footer, 2 columns In a table (far
left column, far right column)

Any advice is greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Dan V.

**geordie** · 12-13-2004, 01:36 PM

are you using PHP?

**danv** · 12-13-2004, 01:43 PM

I am not using PHP, I am using macromedia dreamweaver 2004 MX, but want to do it with css or html.

**danv** · 12-13-2004, 02:42 PM

Best thing I can think of is set the Body and thus page margin to 0 or 3 px. Then I don't have to bother with div's and positioning and browser support.

<style type="text/css">

body {
font-family: arial, verdana, sans-serif;
font-size: 1em;
margin: 0px;
paddding: 0px;
}

**theshiznit** · 12-13-2004, 02:58 PM

try this....

Code:

table
{
position:absolute;
top:1px;
}

**danv** · 12-13-2004, 03:30 PM

Thanks.

Will this give me the same problem as stated above, where includes don't work with absolute positioning of div's or does this not affect tables?

This code works locally with IE 6.0 (no include) But I have a left 1/2 inch space for some reason?

<table style="position:absolute; top:0px; margin:0px; background:yellow">
<tr>
<td>This is my header in a table.
</td>
</tr>
</table>

**NateDogg** · 12-13-2004, 03:55 PM

So how are you "including" these files?? I think you were right when you said to change the body margin-top (http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_margin-top.asp) It'll probably work the best.

**danv** · 12-13-2004, 04:03 PM

I use the Dreamweaver Server side include. It comes directly after the <body> statement.
Insert > HTML > Script Objects > Server Side Includes (for MX 2004)

<body>

...

**danv** · 12-13-2004, 04:20 PM

This works better:

"If Absolute positioning is used you must specify the "top" and "left" properties"
http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_position.asp

<table style="position:absolute; top:0px; left:0px; background:yellow">
<tr>
<td>This is my header in a table.
</tr>
</table>

**NateDogg** · 12-14-2004, 01:31 PM

Interesting, I've never even heard of including files this way. Thanks for the extra piece of knowledge.

Quick question. Is this W3C compliant?

**Rincewind** · 12-14-2004, 01:38 PM

The server side includes in dreamweaver are just the normal SSI for Apache and ASP. When the person hit your page, the server peices together all the included files and sends the result to the browser. The whole thing comes in one big lump. The joining up is done on the server, not on the client. The browser will render it just fine.

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