If I use iframes to include a php file in a html will that count as content on the html file?

Example I'm working on a list of jokes and wish to include them on my web site but i wish for them to ramdomly change every day. I would be useing something like an rss feed for my jokes.

Search engines cant see the content of an iframe unless the file being displayed in the iframe is linked to. iframe is a function of the browser, spider-bots can only see words that are in the source of the page.

so if i can't use iframes to include the jokes ramdomly so that the spiders can read it is there away that i can do this

You could put this line in your htaccess file to make html file parser php (as long as your host allows it and you are on an apache sever)

AddType application/x-httpd-php .html

Then just use an include(file/to/include.php) to display the php file on the page, It will then be included before the html is sent to the browser or bot.

will this parsing effect the site in any way from the SEO point of view ?

why not jusy combine the html and php togther?... and have the php where the current iframe is?
dan

Do it without iframes !!

http://intranation.com/test-cases/object-vs-iframe/
http://www.aplus.co.yu/web-dev/inser...her-html-page/

Thats what i said! im clever!... honest...
Dan

Originally Posted by email16

will this parsing effect the site in any way from the SEO point of view ?

No not really. No negative effect anyway. the page will look the same to search engines and it will be the same URL, Just with the content you want included.

do not use frames unless you've got a real reason not too the search engines will not include the contents of the frame (or iframe) the only real reason to use a frame would be if you were showing a site that was not yours and wanted it to display on your site in which case I would only have frames on that one page because you don't care if an engine doesn't spider someone elses site off yours.

Originally Posted by blackhawkpowers

do not use frames unless you've got a real reason not too the search engines will not include the contents of the frame (or iframe) the only real reason to use a frame would be if you were showing a site that was not yours and wanted it to display on your site in which case I would only have frames on that one page because you don't care if an engine doesn't spider someone elses site off yours.

My point is that I'm already writing a php script for showing my jokes but if I leave it as a php script on my page my jokes will not get spidered by the bots.

that is the only reason I'm trying to use an include or iframe on my page at all.

I'm trying to use the jokes to maybe get into google because i can't think of anything else to do at this time.

then the php scripts is going to randomly generate like 1 out of 20 to display and you want the spiders to crawl all 20 jokes?

if you're looking to get your page crawled by google you should looking a couple of other things as well

the first thing you should do is sign up for a google webmaster tool account and submit your sitemap to google. this will help drastically with indexing of your site. you can get information and sign up for an account here https://www.google.com/webmasters/to.../en/about.html

this page will explain some about pagerank to you https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/siteoverview

hope this helps but don't miss the question at the top..

http://www.google.com/technology/index.html this page explains a bit about pagerank on google.

Originally Posted by blackhawkpowers

then the php scripts is going to randomly generate like 1 out of 20 to display and you want the spiders to crawl all 20 jokes?

My hope is to have my jokes spidered only when they appear on my site. That way I'll have changing content every day.

If you have been to my site you would see that i have already have a google account. I've sumited my site map and i have no errors that they tell me.

but thanks for the info if i already did not have a google account then i would make great use of the link you provided.

would <?php include ('yourphppagewhichmakesrandomjokes.php') ?> not work so u just place that where you want your jokes to be and the joke would appear as if u wrote it on the page (to the user and any bots ie google.)
Dan

My hope is to have my jokes spidered only when they appear on my site. That way I'll have changing content every day.

And you are hoping that will do what exactly ???


because you will be incorrect in your assumption.

Am i not correct I in assuming that changing content will get you spidered more often. And is that not what get's you higher ratings. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Just so you know this will be a growing data base of jokes so they will be constently updated and changed

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought I already did

Nope, changing content on one page will not get you spidered more often.

and

Nope, it wont get you higher rankings.

I was under the impression that if Googlebot notices that your site's content has changed that it will crawl it more often as well, the idea being that it tries to keep up with your changing content. I'm not even sure where I read this, but it makes sense to me. This would, of course, have absolutely no effect on your rankings, it would just mean Googlebot would be using more of your resources with absolutely no benefit to you.

Googlebot is not what "looks" at the page content, it is simply a retrieval agent. Seperate software agents index and analyse the page contents.

The crawler schedule is (for the most part) determined by the number of links that are in the SE index pointing to a particular page. If a site is continually evolving with fresh content on new pages and therefore more links are being included in the site navigation, it's this that gets more attention from the crawler, assuming of course that the external linkage is enough to get the site crawled on a regular basis anyway.
Simply changing the content of the one page will not have any effect on anything.

Look at it logically, if the home page changes every day for example, How does the indexer know this? ? ?

If the bot is sent once a week, then to the indexer the content changes once a week.

Now maybe, <speculation> after a period of time where every week the content on a page is new or changed substantially, not just a few dozen words, there could be a "flag" raised for an increase in retrieval rate to see if it changes on a more frequent basis. </speculation> But, even if the above scenario exists, changing a small section of content randomly isn't going to trigger it.

You know what I meant.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Now maybe, <speculation> after a period of time where every week the content on a page is new or changed substantially, not just a few dozen words, there could be a "flag" raised for an increase in retrieval rate to see if it changes on a more frequent basis. </speculation> But, even if the above scenario exists, changing a small section of content randomly isn't going to trigger it.

This is how I pictured it working, and you raise a very good point.