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04-10-2004, 11:42 PM
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Printing Header & Footer
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Posts: 4
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Okay. When you print a web page, it shows the site you printed it from at the bottom of the page. How do I change that to be something different?
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04-11-2004, 12:14 AM
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Posts: 1,449
Name: Danalyn
Location: Dallas, TX
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That is done in the printer/page setup. As far as I know, the only way to get rid of the header and footer on the printed page is to go to file >> page setup.
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04-12-2004, 10:53 AM
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Posts: 4
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Well, I am having this problem with kids at school printing out pages of my band's web-site, and then they write on them. I need a way to put a stop to that. How do I make it print out a different page. I had something like this, but I do not know if it will work:
<STYLE>
link="alternate"; media="print"; href="http://webmaster-talk.com"
</STYLE>
Anymore suggestions?
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04-12-2004, 12:49 PM
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Posts: 115
Location: Tampa Bay, FL - USA
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Even bad advertising can sometimes be good advertising ...Since you are concerned; I assume they are not writing, "This Band is Cool!" It sucks when these things happen, but try to think of it as advertising for your site. It might bring some people that you want.
Also consider that, even if you did succeed in keeping your classmates from printing out your site, you'll stop everyone else who is legitimate.
...besides, anyone can do a "Print Screen" of your site, and there is nothing you can do about that. So, anything you try to do to stop them will be in vain ...it will just give them more of a "Ha Ha!" to throw at you when they beat your attempts to stop them.
Hope things work out for you.
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04-12-2004, 11:50 PM
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Posts: 4
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Well, we do not have anything to print out except for our page that has news on it. There is not anything else on it except for a list of our past shows. So, if aynone really wanted to print it out, it would not do them any good. PLEASE help me out!!!
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04-13-2004, 03:20 PM
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Posts: 93
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I was doing a website for an artist who didn't want people to steal her artwork. I looked around for options for her, but most of them were easy to get around. I did find a program called html guardian which had a feature called image guardian. It basically chopped up the images into a bunch of little files, renamed them randomly, pieced them back together and then encrypted the code. The program included a disabling of the saving and print screen options - you couldn't even select text. They seemed to have all the bases covered, and the software comes with lifetime access to whatever updates they write.
Two downsides: First, the software costs $70.00. Second, the encryption made webdesign a real pain. You had to keep a copy of your original code and then you'd have the encrypted copy you'd upload. Once you encrypt, your code is just a big hash of nonsense, so forget poping in to correct a spelling error. Can't update from anywhere but home, or wherever you have your original files. The software purchase is liscenced for one machine only.
Too much money and trouble for me, but I thought I'd throw it out there. I guess it might be good to have for a really serious project that had to be protected, I don't know. Maybe others will have comments. The website is www.protware.com
AmyD
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04-13-2004, 03:35 PM
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Posts: 115
Location: Tampa Bay, FL - USA
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I've heard of Image Guardian. Amy mentioned two down-sides to it, and I have a major third... Anybody can use their "Print Screen" button on there keyboard, past it into any graphic program, crop the image, and walaah, you have a complete picture. ...So much for image protection.
I just screen printed this image ...and it's not even an image:

Their HTML guardian is a little trickier to crack.
Last edited by ppedersen; 04-13-2004 at 03:40 PM..
Reason: Added photo.
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04-14-2004, 12:44 AM
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can we run a test?
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Posts: 93
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Ok Paul, I didn't quite follow that, but that's ok, just means there's more fun stuff to learn.
I want to check something though. Guardian claims they can disable printscreen (in IE5+ anyway). I'm assuming that this site isn't using the software, so I'd wanted to take a simple page and see what happened if I encrypted it. I've actually never used the printscreen button on my keyboard, though, and after hitting it and having nothing happen, I tried it on another page (unencrypted) and nothing happened...
So, would you be willing to go to http://hogritude.com/print_E.html and see if you can do it?
I didn't bother with any graphics, just a line of text. Hey -that's four: dealing with the collection of tiny little image files to keep organized(!)
Thanks,
AmyD
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04-14-2004, 08:27 AM
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Posts: 116
Location: Greece, NY USA
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PrintScreen is a two-step process. Hitting the button takes a picture of the screen. You have to then go into an image editing program and paste that image as a new image. (Now, if you were running MS-DOS 6.x, you could just hit the button and stuff would print out.)
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04-14-2004, 10:06 AM
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Posts: 115
Location: Tampa Bay, FL - USA
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Well, I hate to say that it let me "Print Screen" no problem. Here's the screenshot.

The HTML encryption looks heavy-duty, however. Much harder to beat. I pasted you page source below:
HTML Code:
<html>
<head>
<title>print test</title>
<meta http-equiv='expires' content=''>
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</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>
Last edited by ppedersen; 04-14-2004 at 10:13 AM..
Reason: added link
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04-14-2004, 10:54 AM
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Posts: 93
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Thanks OtterBob, I've heard people talk about it but never knew what it did. Never paid much attention really. At the same time, I've been trying to find out how to do a screen shot. Funny. Thanks again.
Paul, no need to feel bad (or 'hate to say') - I just want to know what works and what doesn't. So I appreciate the information. I can't imagine wanting to encrypt my html - but that might just be my limited imagination. I can see wanting to protect images and text, like a copyrighted piece of writing. It looks like the viewer can get a copy of the text, but they're going to have to retype it if they want it on their site, and I they could have retyped it from the "protected" page anyway. At least it makes for a little more work. (Or they can put it through a program that recognizes text after they do the screenshot. Well we knew at the start that this wasn't a good medium for presenting material that you really want to keep to yourself!)
About the screenshot you did, I am now only slightly confused. I followed OtterBob's directions on how to do a screenshot, and now have a lovely copy of my desktop and one of the webmaster-talk screen. But the encrypted page wouldn't permit it, even when it wasn't maximized as yours wasn't. This is now just sheer curiosity, but any idea what the difference could have been? (I was viewing the page in IE6 and tried to paste in photoshop 5 LE. yeah, laugh all you want. If I hit the lottery, a real copy of photoshop is on my list. Wait. I don't play the lottery...)
Finally, with each post I realize that I'm diverging more and more from JustBob's question that initiated the thread. Should I be doing someting other than continuing to post here? (Maybe starting a new thread somewhere and link to the point where this one veered off course?)
Thanks,
AmyD
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04-14-2004, 11:09 AM
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Posts: 115
Location: Tampa Bay, FL - USA
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That's pretty odd, since I am using IE 6 as well. My guess is that their solution works with most computer configurations, but not all (like mine).
...but I'm with you. I have no idea why someone would want to encrypt their Web pages. I had a fellow employee come to me concerned because she was easily able to view the JavaScript files I was using and assumed I had forgot to protect them. She was a software developer and was used to protecting EVERYTHING. I tried not to laugh when I, in a nice way, told here that I could care less who got hold of my JavaScript, which I'm sure I lifted off someone else's site to begin with.
...As far as I know, that's how everyone gets their JavaScript ...Right? 
Last edited by ppedersen; 04-14-2004 at 11:09 AM..
Reason: formatting
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04-14-2004, 02:37 PM
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Posts: 4
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So is there no way to direct printing to another page? I would really appreciate the help. Does anyone know of any other forums I could go to find an answer?
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04-14-2004, 03:53 PM
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Posts: 18
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I'm not real familiar with IE when it comes to this area, but I don't think you will have much control over what the end-user's program prints on the page.
It would be similar to MS Paint printing "printed from MS Paint" at the bottom of each page. No amount of HTML or coding will change that. At least that's how it seems.
my 2 cents.
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