my tables were shifting out of place from page to page, it pissed me off, i put cellpadding to 1 and the tables stayed in place! how'd that happen!

Cell padding is the space INSIDE the cell

Seems like you have a deeper goal and cellpadding isn't the way to go.

What if you dropped a URL down on us so that we could see it, and you could explain what you want to accomplish? That way, one of us can figure it out. Between LNR, myself, vangogh, Forrest, Learning Not-So-Newbie, Chris Hirst, travelagent, and the other members (my God, we have a posse goin'!), someone should be able to drop some mad knowledge on you, young brutha.

Yeah; show us your URL so we can see what's going on...

maybe you should try colspan or rowspan in your DTs.

Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

That way, one of us can figure it out. Between LNR, myself, vangogh, Forrest, Learning Not-So-Newbie, Chris Hirst, travelagent, and the other members (my God, we have a posse goin'!), someone should be able to drop some mad knowledge on you, young brutha.

Hmmmm. What are we going to call ourselves?

If you don't want to show the URL until you get it fixed, three things you can try are:

• Using divs instead of tables.
• Always setting cellPadding and cellSpacing to 0 on all tables. Unfortunately you can't do this as a CSS override.
• Get FireBug and FireFox, if you don't have it. FireBug is the best thing since sliced bread.