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Old 05-07-2007, 12:12 AM Firefox v. Internet explorer
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hey there. I am not sure where else to report this problem but I am not able to find anywhere in specific. so any help or referrals to where I could go would be awesome.
My domain is currently http://www.fiorescoffee.com, however, it only shows up in firefox. no other browsers will open it. I created this on vista (I am so gonna be pissed if that's the reason). but only in a notepad using html. I used an ftp client to upload my work, using siteground for some php coding that they offer, and I cannot for the life of me why it won't show up since the most complicated coding I used was php, and I know , at least I think, is compatible with all servers.
so if anyone can help me out, lemme know.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:25 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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PHP is server-side coding, and therefore won't show up in browser output (so you don't need to worry about anything from that regard unless you've made a PHP error.) So you're down to your HTML code.

A validation check reveals 41 errors in your code (probably more, but the validator only catches "some" things based on the number of errors):

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiorescoffee.com%2F

Simply put, your code is a mess. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

What I would suggest you do before you ask for anyone's help, and I'm telling you this for your own sake, is to try and solve as many of the errors listed in the report as possible on your own. This will help you learn and understand a lot of the mistakes that you're making and also help you become familiar with how to get your code to validate and avoid issues like this.

To others who might post help or suggestions: let's see how far she can take this first on her own and then let's help her as needed.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:31 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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PHP is server-side coding, and therefore won't show up in browser output (so you don't need to worry about anything from that regard unless you've made a PHP error.) So you're down to your HTML code.

A validation check reveals 41 errors in your code (probably more, but the validator only catches "some" things based on the number of errors):

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...scoffee.com%2F

Simply put, your code is a mess. I know that's probably not what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

What I would suggest you do before you ask for anyone's help, and I'm telling you this for your own sake, is to try and solve as many of the errors listed in the report as possible on your own. This will help you learn and understand a lot of the mistakes that you're making and also help you become familiar with how to get your code to validate and avoid issues like this.

To others who might post help or suggestions: let's see how far she can take this first on her own and then let's help her as needed.
hey thanks. I am still new at coding, and all that stuff. I'll take a look. thanks.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:38 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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No problem. Most of the messages are pretty straightforward there, so you should be able to get through about 80-90% before needing more help (some of them are pretty cryptic, though.)
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:50 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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No problem. Most of the messages are pretty straightforward there, so you should be able to get through about 80-90% before needing more help (some of them are pretty cryptic, though.)
*groans* urrg...question...I am using css for the main layout so I don't have to do all that in HTML, then closing the style tag and using html after that. I am kind of confused cause it is saying that the tags I am using in...oh....the tables are wrong, and if I alter them, the whole design kind of flops. I Guess I must just know a lot less to start with, but I usually do this in an trial error sort of way. ....I don't expect you to really do this for me or anythign but I gotta say...I am so blundered by this. >.>: any ideas of what I may be able to use, aside from what I am doing now? cause obviously....it's just not working. thanks.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:01 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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No problem. Most of the messages are pretty straightforward there, so you should be able to get through about 80-90% before needing more help (some of them are pretty cryptic, though.)
okay...I got it down to eight errors...but nothing that should effect something like viewing in IE. any suggestions? sorry if I sound needy. I wanna resolve this!!! ;_;
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:57 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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... I created this on vista (I am so gonna be pissed if that's the reason). but only in a notepad using html. I used an ftp client to upload my work, using siteground for some php coding that they offer ...
Adam already explained why PHP isn't a problem, and he's right so take his word on that. But, there could potentially be issues with line endings ( CR vs LF vs CR+LF ) if you're expecting a linux server to run Windows text files; maybe somebody more knowledgeable can clear that up? I know robots.txt has to be unix format.

FTP is an ancient protocol. It doesn't work with NTFS, so the "hidden" data streams that can hold extra info about a file - stuff Vista and XP does - are lost when you use FTP to send a file up to a server. So weirdness in your operating system isn't even able to create problems like what you described. Just for future reference...

Forget Notepad ( unless the Vista one is drastically improved ). I'd recommend Notepad++ as the free, open source solution, or UltraEdit as the commercial version if you want to spring for it. Or Visual Web Developer, as long as you don't use the actual "visual" part. The problem with Notepad is that every letter is the same color, same font, and so on. Syntax highlighting is really the best coding innovation since coffee. Microsoft's Vis Web Dev goes a step further with IntelliSense, which is something I personally love, but not anywhere near as important as the highlighting.

That will make it amazingly easier to work on html, especially if you're learning.

I'm about to have a look at your site, but one last thing came to mind while I was reading through the thread. You were asking about unclosed tags ... the syntax for an image is:

<img src="..." alt="..." class="..." title="..." />

If you miss that last / at the end of the tag ( like <img src="..."> ) that's an error. All tags need to be closed, and while links are <a href="..."> and then </a>, there's no </img> closing tag, since you can't embed text data inside the image. ( Only certain attributes, like alt and title. You don't need a title for images, but it provides mouse-over text in all browsers. )

Oh ... and for the record, I vote for FireFox.
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Old 05-07-2007, 11:59 AM Re: Firefox v. Internet explorer
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You made some corrections, but you still left out a critical element - A VALID DOCTYPE !!!!

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That is true, IF you're using XHTML, and she is not. In fact, she has NO doctype whatsoever, so the browser, especially IE, will try to figure it out and render in Quirks mode and probably HTML 4.
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