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Old 05-07-2007, 02:23 PM What language?
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I need to know what programming languages
I'm
going to need to learn to build my site. as for right now it's just an idea and i have no programming experience other then a lesson on HTML.

Here is what i need:

i need a very complex member system that gives "experience points" for participating in poll's, posting in the forums, chatting with other members, and just submitting feedback in general.
i would also like user's to be able to communicate by Private message. users should get points for everything they do on the site even just visiting.

check out for example.

I'm
ready to hit the books and i would like if someone could give me some direction on how to start.

thank you.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:26 PM Re: What language?
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You should learn HTML and CSS well first!

http://www.w3schools.com
http://www.htmldog.com
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:37 PM Re: What language?
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Html or XHTML??? which would benefit me more in what
I'm
trying to do?
I'm
not sure of the differences.

also if i was to fluently learn both html and
css
could i build my site and add all the functionality later?
I'm
pretty sure that
I'm
going to eventually move on to something more advanced like PHP or java.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:45 PM Re: What language?
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Even if you use PHP or Java, you STILL need (X)HTML and CSS as the foundation.

HTML and XHTML are pretty much the same, but XHTML is a bit more strict in how you write your code and many of the old deprecated tags cannot be used in XHTML.
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Old 05-07-2007, 02:46 PM Re: What language?
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XHTML would be the best one to learn I think.
http://www.w3schools.com/xhtml/xhtml_html.asp

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also if i was to fluently learn both html and
css
could i build my site and add all the functionality later?
Yes but I think it would be better to do this together.
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Old 05-07-2007, 08:01 PM Re: What language?
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Once you get (X)HTML and CSS down, then you are probably going to need to learn some sort of database and database scripting language (like MySQL and PHP). Once you learn the logic of one language, others will be easier to learn. All the programming languages I have worked with work off of similar logic, its just the specifics that are different.
Anyway, PHP and MySQL are free and are what I would suggest for your project.
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Old 05-07-2007, 08:15 PM Re: What language?
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Your in for a long haul buddy. While you should learn PHP and MySQL (or even ASP.NET or JavaBeans, etc). You should also consider how long you want to wait to get this community up and running. Learning how to hack together a system in PHP that will accomplish all your goals could take only a couple of months however, learning how to do it right will take much longer.

You see, when designing any application there are several factors to consider aside from desired functionality. The most important of which (at least in my opinion) is your codes shelf life, how long will it work for your situation? You also must be careful not to code yourself into a corner by creating non-extensible code or intermixing your models, views and controllers (this is a common problem by new developers and one in which usually results in rewriting code several times throughout the lifetime of a project).

Now with that said (and by all means, do learn it all) there are third party solutions that are more than perfect for your project and encompass most everything you need at a cost that would be less than if you paid yourself $5 an hour to code it. Infact, your using a perfect solution right now, it's called vBulletin.

Also, don't let anyone try to tell you that it's less acceptable to use a third party solution, after all, time is money (your time is worth something isn't it?) and I'm pretty sure your not just creating your website for fun but would like to monetize it as well. My suggestion would be to do some dollar cost averaging, estimating how long it might take you to do the project and at what personal cost (how much would you work for) to determine which route is most acceptable to you.
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