Hello everyone, im new to this site. im 15 years old and im the webmaster for my local library and soon my town.
i use dreamweaver 8 and im having problems puttin a scroll bar in.
any suggestions?

--Matt

Where are you trying to put a scrollbar?

Scrollbars inside a page are associated with frames or inline frames. Frames are not a good choice for a variety of reasons. Inline frames do have some uses.

Another way to have scrollbars to show is through css. If you fix the width and height of an element and set the overflow property on that element you can create a scrollbar. You could do something like:

<div id="scrolling-div">
your content here
</div>

and then the css might be:

div#scrolling-div {width:200px; height:200px; overflow:scroll}

If your content needs more than 200px by 200px to display you'll see scrollbars. You can also set the overflow-x or overflow-y properties if you only want a horizontal or vertical scrollbar.

Also think about why you want to use a scrollbar. They can be confusing to people sometimes since there is already one on the browser. If you have a specific reason for using one then it's fine, but if the idea is just so your content can scroll it's probably not the best idea.

I hope that helps.

that's great! Div scroll bar is the best compared to <iframe> because you will not create another page but the div scroll bar is in the page you're working on.

My question is WHY do you want to add a scrollbar ? Usability-wise, adding scrollbars to a page isn't user-friendly at all. People have a scrollbar - the one built into their browser and it's been shown that extra scrollbars within a page not only confuses people, but are annoying. If you're working on a site for a library where you'd have people of all ages and levels of internet savvy, it would be wise to dispense with cute tricks and keep it simple.

Lol, i agree with LNR!.

keep it simple, really, u have to keep in mind the old silly people who THINK they can use a computer but really have to get their kids to turn it on...

Post a link and it might enable us to help you a little bit more.

(Btw, im 15 too )

Dan

well i just finished creatin the new site

totowapl.org

just skip right to the page instead of takin the tour

Hehe the town webmaster. Do you and the town crier and the cobbler get together for a poker night? Anyways, theres a great scroll bar on the right of the browser, other than that I would avoid them. Also, I like the site design, but in a lot of the pages, elements seem to randomly move around (i.e. the page placement) and the scrollbars on your site are really distracting.

Completely agree, Dump the scrolls. completely bring the design down.

Also, i doubt this is within your control but if possible MOAN LIKE HELL to whoever it is within their control. the server needs to be done so it works with totowapl.org (which at the moment it doesnt!, it goes to (in mycase) google search, and obviously HAS to have the www. at the beginning, which form my point of view most sites worth viewing are at least on a server which is set up right.

Dan

Oh, you have some MAJOR problems with the site in Firefox.
On the About Us page, that scrolling area is too far left and too high, it's covering other things on the page.

Your font sizes are too small and the gray text is too light. It may look great to you, you're 15, but to older people, the tiny text is too small and the text is too light to be easily readable. To make matters worse, you've specified the font size in PX, which prevents IE users from changing the text size to what THEY want to be readable. This is where you need to learn about usability and ACCESSIBILITY, especially for a public site like a LIBRARY !

The text in the logo under the library name is almost invisible and definitely not readable enough.

On your Programs page, the text on the left is right up against the left edge, it needs some padding there.

Your Team page.. the scrolling areas are a mess and the text is overlapping the scroll areas.

Those scrolling photos.. look awful. All you can see of the first woman's picture is the top of her head !

Forget the Contact Us page, it's a wreck.

Oh yeah.. you have no "HOME" button or any other way to get back to the home page once you leave it.

I hate to be so very critical, but YOU must be aware that the entire world does NOT only use IE and you MUST make some effort to build a PUBLIC site to work as best as possible in all the major browsers. The site fails badly in anything but IE.

I'd say it's a fair attempt, but you have a LOT to learn and a LONG way to go.

im just looking at the tour.

1) the title is "untiled document"
2) Scroll bars are nothing to show off! http://www.totowapl.org/intro3.html
For those long long text boxes if they that long they should have 2 pages.

LadyNRed... have u looked at the coding?

Ok, now frankly im crap at design, which is why im a coder/programmer (im gonna get a L plate XD) and your coding SCREAMS Look at me i was made using a WYSIWYG program and they guy who made me has no clue about webstandards, doesnt have FF yet alone opera and netscape.

Doesnt know what XHTML is, or that he shouldnt have any tags in CAPS.

and tables!!!! LOADS!

I looks like it could be a nice design but coding wise its completely 'sugar'.

Really dont mean to be mean, i didnt look at it closly last time. now i have.

Dan

EDIT: i only just realised it gets worse! your using a spacer graphic!!! aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


Run away!!,..............

LadyNRed... have u looked at the coding?

Yeah.. I didn't even want to go there.. it's a mess of nested tables, no doctype, yada, yada.. makes me cringe.

He created the image in Photoshop and used ImageReady to spit out it's horrid attempt at HTML !

Lol, i was going to say that actually "LadyNRed have u looked at the coding it will make you cringe..." but thought it was mean, then the more i looked the meaner i got hehe.

(cold shivers)

Dan

LadynRed, have you even considered that he may not have the knowledge about designing webpages are you do?

Instead of saying "didn't even want to go there," "makes me cringe," and "horrid attempt at html," maybe you can nicely give him tips and links to websites to help him understand the concept and structure of HTML/CSS/etc.

It's not going to help him by complaining about his lack of knowledge and how it obviously is not up to your "standards." I think taking a more mature, and professional stance to it would be more helpful.

ok understable it may be helpful if he looked a a few tuts

but frankly it isnt LadyNReds (or my) standard its the W3c and webmasters and the WEB in generals standards....

and i have to be frank it seems to me if he has undertaken a project like a public site for local council and he isnt already at a good standard he would b ethe unprofessional one.

Also to totowapl:
why are most of you locations
file:///C|/Users/Smitty/Downloads/PW234/html/images/

Im gussing you have not botherd to change the locations when u uplaoded

Originally Posted by dansgalaxy

ok understable it may be helpful if he looked a a few tuts

but frankly it isnt LadyNReds (or my) standard its the W3c and webmasters and the WEB in generals standards....

and i have to be frank it seems to me if he has undertaken a project like a public site for local council and he isnt already at a good standard he would b ethe unprofessional one.

Also to totowapl:
why are most of you locations
file:///C|/Users/Smitty/Downloads/PW234/html/images/

Im gussing you have not botherd to change the locations when u uplaoded

Okay, first of all, you should take the time to spell check, and make sure that your grammar is understandable.

Anyway, my point wasn't that her standards should allow him to make mistakes. My point was that she shouldn't complain how it's not up to her standards, but should explain to him his mistakes, how to fix them, and WHY he needs to fix them.

I know all about W3C's standards, but does this poster? Obviously not, so instead of complaining about how his coding makes you cringe, grow up and take the time to help the kid learn from his mistakes. I highly doubt that you knew all about this when you first started out, and I'm sure you don't know every single thing about it right now; I don't, and I'm not going to claim that I do.

If you see something wrong with his coding, show him what's wrong, how he can fix it, why he needs to fix it, and maybe even show him the corrected version.

Yes, he may have taken up a project that he is not capable of handling, but you're not the one that gave him the project, so that bears no relevance to this thread at all. Maybe you can tell him that he should stick with projects that are closer to his knowledge, and not something that may be too demanding for him.

Also to totowapl:
why are most of you locations
file:///C|/Users/Smitty/Downloads/PW234/html/images/

Im gussing you have not botherd to change the locations when u uplaoded

That's exactly what I'm talking about. He obviously is not knowledgable with this, and he needs advice/tips/anything to help him out.

You need to say "some of your image locations are pointing to directories on your own personal computer. This method will only work when you are viewing your website on your own localhost/computer. When you upload this website to your webhost, you need to create the directory /images/ and upload all of the images you're using to that directory. Then you will need to change your image URLs to reflect that. So you would link them like so:

<img src="image/imageurl.gif" />

LadynRed, have you even considered that he may not have the knowledge about designing webpages are you do?

Don't be silly, of course I know he's a complete novice.

I didn't say HE made horrid code, I said ImageReady spits out horrid code.

maybe you can nicely give him tips and links to websites to help him understand the concept and structure of HTML/CSS/etc.

I (and others) have spent plenty of time building reference resources and put them in the Stickies at the top of these forums. However, you cannot force people to read them, regardless of how easy it is for people to find them.

The OP is 15, clearly very inexperienced, AND he's building websites for PUBLIC resources for his town. That kind of undertaking means more than just throwing out whatever you can come up with and using something like ImageReady, which is NOT an HTML tool, to create a site. By pointing out the problems that site has, I/we have brought them to his attention so that , hopefully, he WILL make the attempt to educate himself and correct those problems.

As for 'my standards' .. it's NOT about "my" standards, its PROFESSIONALISM in learning the craft and current INDUSTRY STANDARDS. It's also not about his age, there are plenty of very talented young people who do educate themselves in the industry standards and make some very impressive sites.

My point was that she shouldn't complain how it's not up to her standards, but should explain to him his mistakes, how to fix them, and WHY he needs to fix them.

He only needs to do some research to find out WHY he should fix them, and I believe I did say exactly what the problems were. To explain EVERYTHING that needs to be addressed on that site, in detail, would require far more time and a LOT of threads.. or a classroom. If he asks why, I'll explain it. If he doesn't care, then we'll know that too.

maybe even show him the corrected version.

That would take HOURS and I work for a living.. do you ? If he asked, I'd do so on my own time, but it's definitely not a 15 minute fix.

I (and others) have spent plenty of time building reference resources and put them in the Stickies at the top of these forums. However, you cannot force people to read them, regardless of how easy it is for people to find them.

If you spend time building the references, why didn't you point him in that direction? Not once did you mention that to him, nor did you even give him some quick links to look at.

Whether or not people will read them should have no bearing on this. Simply giving them the link gives them the choice to view it or not to view it. He never had that chance. Hell, I am new here too and haven't seen the stickies yet.

You give them the chance to know it exists.

The OP is 15, clearly very inexperienced, AND he's building websites for PUBLIC resources for his town. That kind of undertaking means more than just throwing out whatever you can come up with and using something like ImageReady, which is NOT an HTML tool, to create a site. By pointing out the problems that site has, I/we have brought them to his attention so that , hopefully, he WILL make the attempt to educate himself and correct those problems.

You pointed out the problems, yes, but he obviously doesn't know what he's doing, what you're referring to, and most likely doesn't even know where to find it (because despite Google being as popular as it is, some people don't really understand that they can use it to search anything.)

Also, about him using ImageReady.. Not once did I see you or anyone else tell him what you just said, that it "is NOT an HTML tool, to create a site."

As for 'my standards' .. it's NOT about "my" standards, its PROFESSIONALISM in learning the craft and current INDUSTRY STANDARDS. It's also not about his age, there are plenty of very talented young people who do educate themselves in the industry standards and make some very impressive sites.

When I said your standards, I didn't literally mean to refer to any W3C standards or anything that would imply the general public. I specifically said your own standards in regards to calling his coding crap, or cringe-worth.

He only needs to do some research to find out WHY he should fix them, and I believe I did say exactly what the problems were. To explain EVERYTHING that needs to be addressed on that site, in detail, would require far more time and a LOT of threads.. or a classroom. If he asks why, I'll explain it. If he doesn't care, then we'll know that too.

Yes, anyone can research their problem, but if someone comes here asking for some help, then obviously people can take to the time to point them in the right direction. I believe you've probably wasted more time replying to my post, and breaking it apart, then it would've taken to send him a link that would help him to understand what he's working with.

Obviously I'm being a hypocrite here since I haven't helped him at all either, but I just chose not to help him out; I am merely just commenting on some of the issues i saw here.

That would take HOURS and I work for a living.. do you ? If he asked, I'd do so on my own time, but it's definitely not a 15 minute fix.

Did I specifically say that you should take the time to explain to him every bit about HTML, XHTML, CSS, 508 Accessibility, W3C, etc etc? No, I didn't. Emphasis on the maybe, and when I said to explain to him, I meant to actually go slightly in-depth with a specific issue.

Just take a look at my post that shows how he could easily link an image and what he has to do. That's what I was referring to. I'm not saying that EVERYTHING in his source needs to be explained.

Do I work for a living? Yes, I do.

I believe you've probably wasted more time replying to my post, and breaking it apart, then it would've taken to send him a link that would help him to understand what he's working with.

I completely agree... that this is what you have done.

but I just chose not to help him out

You have CHOSEN not to help him out, and yet you have posted repeatedly about the people who have CHOSEN to posted to TRY and help him in the right direction.

If he need something answering/explaining then isnt that the whole point of forums, they ask question -> people replie -> they replie with question on the answer -> they replie to the question about answer etc etc -> problem solved.

And to be honest if someone who is designing a public web site like this needs to have
TYPE CSS/XHTML TUTORIAL into google they probally wouldnt have been able to A) find this forum in the first place. B) sign up...


Yes, i know, i have bad spelling, grammer and and probally sound quite illiterate. im 15, male and lazy, and im not going to be so sad to worry about spell checking a post on a forum. if u can get the jist of what i type that all u need.

Dan.

I'm done with talking about it, so if you want to continue this, you can PM me. Otherwise I think highjacking his thread is over with.. By the way, if you use Firefox, you can take advantage of the built=in spell checker. Though I really think it's best to try to use proper spelling and grammar, especially since you're still in high school and executing proper usage at all times, helps out in the long run.

ok, wat evr u say. i use the FF checker when im using FF and it matters....

Dan