Internet Marketing Tycoon

**Mike** · 07-07-2006, 02:49 PM

I have been, "less than aggressive" in this area for a long time. With the questions regarding link exchanges over the past few months, I have started paying particular attention to the advantages and disadvantages of article submission.

I tested this out first a few months ago by paying someone to submit two of my sites articles to some sites. After monitoring what happened there, combined with research and discussion with others, I decided to turn toward this avenue of SEO and see what happpens.

I am curious how you guys do it, and I will start with giving my plan which I have started now.

I purchased Article Submitter Pro. - Ask 20 different SEO "experts" which product to use, or if you should use a product over manual submission and you will most likely get 20 different answers. After looking into all the products I could find, and purchasing about 5 of them, This is the one I liked the most. You manually sign up to the submission sites that you want to sign up for, then you semi-manually submit your articles to each site. It takes some time, but it is still much faster than going site to site by yourself.
Starting Small - You could submit all of your articles to all 900+ submission sites this product has availalbe, but I fear doing anything too drastically.
35 Submission Sites, 2 articles - This is how I started. I selected 35 of the available submission sites, signed up, and submitted 2 of my older articles to these sites.
2 more articles - Every day or two, I will submit two more articles to these same 35 sites until all my current articles are submitted.
Repeat the process - I will add 35 sites at a time, and submit 2 articles at a time like steps 2-4 until I have submitted to all the article submission sites that I decide to use. ( approximately 800-850 sites)
Deep Link - I see many people put alot of work into submitting articles, and they link the article to their home page. I think this is a bad idea. I will mix in some of these links to my home page, but the majority will go to the actual URL of the article, with some also going to a link within my forum where I posted a snippet of the article for forum discussion in the past.

This is how I am currently doing my article submissions.

**Atomm** · 07-07-2006, 03:29 PM

That sounds great, but what if you don't have time to write 2 articles every couple of days? Can you still take advantage of this?

**Mike** · 07-07-2006, 03:31 PM

This is just to get my sites current articles submitted. Once i have all of them done, I will submit each article to the entire list as they are done.

I have a total of 5 people on my staff, and always open to bring in content writers. Once I have all my current articles submitte, I will simply submit each article as they come available, or select a day of the week to submit all the new ones.

**Atomm** · 07-07-2006, 04:28 PM

Gotcha! Sounds like a great plan. Thank you for sharing.

**Pearse** · 07-07-2006, 05:13 PM

I have been article marketing a particular site in our network for the last 8 months and have recently (last 2 months or so) seen google start to omit some of the inlinks from article directories and various sites that they had previously counted. It has made me start doing some deeper research and I am finding some really relevant niche article sites that except external content. I believe the benefit still there and I still use the method to hit google news/ google alerts but I have started playing with other article marketing ideas.

If I were you I would track the sites you submit to and learn if any of those sites have any added benefit. One avenue I am exploring is offering exclusive articles to niche sites and sites that tend to get included in the news search on the SEs. When you deep link I would recommend sending them to a relevant page, not the exact article especially if your article is not already solid in the SERPS. Just as often as not you will loose credit for articles you submit so take advantage of the deep link as much as possible.

**imported_Jon** · 07-07-2006, 05:21 PM

Mike, that's a nice post! Thanks for sharing.

**ServerUnion** · 07-07-2006, 05:53 PM

I try to get at least one article out a site. i do find that i get backlinks and some traffic from them. My fear is that submitting that much dupe content will trigger some filters in the search engines. I submit to about 300 sites, I do try to change my link text every 50 submissions or so, just to change things up.

Thoughts?

**Mike** · 07-07-2006, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearse

I have been article marketing a particular site in our network for the last 8 months and have recently (last 2 months or so) seen google start to omit some of the inlinks from article directories and various sites that they had previously counted. It has made me start doing some deeper research and I am finding some really relevant niche article sites that except external content. I believe the benefit still there and I still use the method to hit google news/ google alerts but I have started playing with other article marketing ideas.
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Do you think what you are noticing is an actual change within google, or just yet another result of google being broken? It is hard for me to put much thought into anything I see happening with google lately.

**imported_mattd** · 07-07-2006, 06:59 PM

How much traffic do you guys see from article submissions?

I've never tried it, mainly because I've been fairly unconvinced about the benefits of writing content for other sites who might as well remove the link back to your site and pretend its their own work :/

**Pearse** · 07-07-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Do you think what you are noticing is an actual change within google, or just yet another result of google being broken? It is hard for me to put much thought into anything I see happening with google lately.

Good question. I have seen a drop in article based inlinks on all 3 major SEs but much more so on Google. The yahoo and msn drops seemed natural however, so it could be google issues but my gut tells me that since a lot of the directory sites that do pick up articles from quality directories are low quality scraper style sites it very well could be a potential for the devaluing of article directory sites. I am not saying that quality article directories will be devalued all of a sudden, its just something that has been bugging me enough to change some of my practices. But change is good right?

**Mike** · 07-07-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mattd

How much traffic do you guys see from article submissions?

I am not really looking for traffic directly from this, more over a long term situation of increasing backlink and improving search engine ranking

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I've never tried it, mainly because I've been fairly unconvinced about the benefits of writing content for other sites who might as well remove the link back to your site and pretend its their own work :/

I figure anybody that is going to do that could just as easily come steal it directly from me.

**imported_mattd** · 07-08-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike

I figure anybody that is going to do that could just as easily come steal it directly from me.

Yeah thats valid point, but I guess on an article site or something its all there and ripe for the taking, rather than them finding your stuff "in the wild".

**Hawaii SEO** · 07-10-2006, 01:27 AM

Jim Boykin had a good post on the subject.

Tony Hill also had good things to say.

You might want to slow it down a bit and spend some time to rearrange the article several times. it can be the same article but you can say the same thing 5 different ways. The ideal situation is for your article to show up in the SERPS for relevant queries and not wind up in the supplemental results. An article in the supplemental results in unlikely to pass along any link love to your website.

(IMO) If you engineer it so that it also stands a decent chance of driving traffic to your website, it will also be more likely to pass more powerful link juice as well.

Here is a list of 305 places you can submit you're article.

Aloha,
Dave.

**Curitel** · 07-10-2006, 02:28 AM

Great post Mike and nice addition Hawaii SEO. I'm wondering if submitting articles to this many places is actually worth the time. At times I would write extensive articles and submit to many different places, but do not have results that I wish I did.

Do you think that your method of submitting a little at a time and seeing its progress and such help with my situation?

**Stevegg** · 07-13-2006, 12:12 PM

There's good info in the posts above - and another free resource you may want to consider, especially if your article theme is a niche I list an article site for - is my Directory of Article Directories...

It features over 180 sites with their Google PR rank for the page where submitted articles appear or are linked from (a decent indicator of their relative traffic and SE spidering frequency) as well as breaking them down by ecommerce, miscellaneous and specific niche categories.

Each article site also features a direct link to their respective 'view' (articles) and 'submit' pages and indicates whether free registration is required to submit there or not.

It's currently #1 on Google & Yahoo for: article directories
and you can check it out at:
http://www.arcanaweb.com/resources/a...rectories.html

Hope that helps!

-Steve

**Bookworm-SEO** · 07-14-2006, 01:51 AM

I'd like to hear if any of you have particular strategies to get articles picked up?

What about directly contacting bloggers and webmasters in areas of interest and offering them the content.

Oh, and to the person above who said they're looking for content writers, PM me. You can see the quality of my work at cityseo.blogspot.com, or at siteflip.blogspot.com (look at the longer articles, not the quick news updates). I've taken journalism classes before, if that's of interest.

bookworm-seo