Internet Marketing Tycoon

**LeeD** · 09-11-2006, 05:58 PM

Is it possible to be successful starting in PPC / CPA marketing with a small budget of say $20/day? How can we ensure that we don't waste alot of money in the beginning testing and tweaking? - Batesy

**xboxundone** · 09-11-2006, 06:48 PM

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Is it possible to be successful starting in PPC / CPA marketing with a small budget of say $20/day? How can we ensure that we don't waste alot of money in the beginning testing and tweaking? - Batesy

Yes it is possible at a budget of 20/day to get you going and be successfull.

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How can we ensure that we don't waste alot of money in the beginning testing and tweaking?

Well they don't offer insurance policies for PPC advertising so there is no true way to ensure you don't waste a lot of money... But you can do research, read up on PPC campaigns through forums like these on how to get a good google adwords ad and landing page score or even look into trying 2nd tier SE's (warning you can go through money quick on these and get crap traffic.) But honestly it is a LOT of trial and error. The true key is figure what your EPC is and make sure you spend less than that pet click on advertising. Some people track to the Bth degree but i use the good ole measure of if i am making profit i keep the campaign rollin

. One key is don't do a straight link to the pomo site as this will get your ad rotating much less than if you have then go to yoursite.com due to googles one domain/ad policy.

**Nitin M** · 09-11-2006, 07:26 PM

$20/day to learn if you have 1-3 months worth of $20/day to invest ... yes.

$20/day if you can only afford it for a week ... not very likely.

There's a lot to learn IMO. I've had great success in one area, decent success in a couple of other areas, and horrible failures in many other niches.

You have to have strong discipline, do your research and if something isn't working, change it or pull it.

**ChickenHole** · 09-24-2006, 05:01 PM

I have a dozen PPC niches where i spend less than $5 a day and generally triple my money. These are mostly tight niche campaigns where there just isn't a lot of traffic to be had for cheap. I buy a few dozen keywords which have low click volumes but are highly targetted. Keywords around brand names are GREAT! SO I may only make $50 week - but I only Spend $20. These are also very low maintenance because it is easy to pop in and see what is going on at a glance.

So just do this... Found a great affiliate program for Crest Teeth Whiteners? Go Bid on 'Crest teeth whiteners' and 'Colgate Teeth Whiteners' and 'Aqua Fresh Teeth Whiteners' and you should be fine.

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$20/day if you can only afford it for a week ... not very likely.

very true you need AT LEAST a months worth of budget in your pocket to get a fair start. It will take at least that long to get your first affiliate cheque.

**LeeD** · 09-25-2006, 11:13 AM

The only major PPC marketing I have ever done was centered around a product based business. I am no expert in this field, actually far from it. I do think that you can do a good bit of damage with an initial budget of $20 / day however. This will allow you to get a feel for the marketplace and begin to determine which keywords are going to be golden for your niche.

**LeeD** · 09-25-2006, 11:14 AM

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**MonkeyBiz** · 09-25-2006, 11:16 AM

Dont expect to make much money with only 20 bucks a day

odds are you will rpobably lose money unless you are careful

and $20 equals 600 a month whihc isnt so small.

**imported_illusion** · 09-25-2006, 11:23 AM

But losing money is all part of a learning curve. If you are not ready to lose some money than you are not ready. You can't go into something thinking that you are gonna succeed in it straight away, be prepared. That said,

Nice work with the questions Lee

**hav0k** · 09-25-2006, 02:58 PM

I think you can an return a decent profit also. If you pick the right thing to promote and you do your research on using quality keywords that will produce the most leads. Then I believe you can spend that 20$ and probably turn it into 40$ maybe even 50$ then you make about 30$ profit for that day and have the 20$ for the next day.

Just remember it is all about research and testing. Also in the beginning you will most likely lose money but that is what this game is all about!

**MultiDreams** · 09-27-2006, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by illusion

But losing money is all part of a learning curve. If you are not ready to lose some money than you are not ready. You can't go into something thinking that you are gonna succeed in it straight away, be prepared. That said,

Nice work with the questions Lee

Nice answer, in other word you cannot win if you don't try.
You never fail, you only learn - talking about perception:yes:

**fadvee** · 09-27-2006, 10:38 AM

Hi Batesy,
I think $20/day for a beginer is a very huge amount in a day, but it's pertinet to note that it's good to experiment with something lower than jumping into the lagoon! Never theless my advise is for you to first learn the basic of ppc add, by contacting the expert on. Remember you need to craw before you walk, you dont need to fall flat before picking your self up.

**MonkeyBiz** · 09-27-2006, 11:29 AM

Start with 5 bucks a day

even then your spending 150 a month whihc is the same as 5 tiv0 subscriptions or 12 XM radio subscriptions or 7 netflix subscriptions

**surly** · 09-29-2006, 09:48 AM

I started doing some PPC and CPA stuff having very limited experience.

After a couple weeks, $20-$25 a day on PPC a day was earning me between $100-$120.

I couldnt believe it, it was great.

Until that particular offer got pulled.

Now I spend more, and barely make a profit, or sometimes lose. Good days and bad days.

Its about finding a good offer that works for you and exploiting it, use the profits from that tootest other things until you get them working.

Rinse and repeat.

**Otherjohn** · 09-30-2006, 09:40 AM

I decided to try PPC contectual sites for kicks 2 months ago as an experiment. My plan is to see how hard or easy it would be to develop a site that brings IN $20 a day and to see how much work would need to go into. I also wanted to make sure that no money (except hosting and domain) was spent in doing this.

My results have been a success. In the first month I made $109 by the 30th of the month. I made some tweeking with the site and saw traffic go up and down.
For this month I have $240 so far.

I must say that the site is incomplete also. I havent updated it in over a month and I know I need to finish it. I probably put about 16 total hours of work with research and content. The subject of this site is a subject that I particularly like and am involved in. I have writen from scratch 20 tutorials on this site so I know I have spent way more time than I should for an "Experiment"
I feel its extreemly possible to start out with nothing practically and get involved with PPC and CPA.
Here is one other note. I used my PPC "Experiment" site to apply to CPA sites with and got accepted to about 6 networks. I used some "interesting" methods to advertise some CPA deals and have made over $120 without putting them on my sites at all. Plus I have only invested the cost of a domain (8.88 at namecheap) and hosting (you can find hosting for about 6 a month, pm me and I will recommend some good host).
I hope to put my experment on my site in the near future with a pure openbook example of my step by steps.

Now, what you do is take this money and start re-investing into my CPA work. So now I have a way to start from 0 and go up! takes a bit longer but you gain knowledge of things that give you the edge in the long run.
-just my 2 cents

**A.N.Onym** · 10-04-2006, 11:32 PM

As it was said, $20 is a lot for a startup. A campaign we were running was aimed at $50 a month and turned out $15 a month for 100 targeted visitors.

Then the campaign was pulled due to reasons, not related to the campaign.

PPC is easier to run for products, really. Need less credibility, trust and good copywriting for that.

What you need to run a good PPC is:
- research your keywords
- create a landing page for small groups of related keywords (the smaller the group, the better as the more focused the page can be)
- write ads, focused on the benefits to the visitors and with your keywords in ad titles and ad description

As your CPC depends on the relevance of your landing page and your ad to your keywords, with the proper keyword placement you can achieve nice results. For this, you need to place the words right on your page as well.

But what is important is not only to get people to your site cheap, but to convert them with your landing page and with your website.

**shermanchoo** · 11-22-2006, 04:21 AM

There are some sites with very profitable clicks, and im not talking about Google Adwords..

Google Adwords requires skills, and constant tweaking.. you may like to test your TEXT ADS with FREE credits from Traffic Exchanges.

If it converts well, then try it on Adwords.

You make like to take a look at "Adwords Miracle"..

**NeverblueJordan** · 12-07-2006, 02:22 PM

$50 a day - per campaign - minimum.

Yes its "possible" on $20 a day but you're not getting enough clicks to get some good reliable results with which you can make decisions. Whats the point of spending $20 a day when you really need to spend $100 before you can make a decent decision anyways. You're just delaying your response time.

Yes, you will lose money sometimes, thats business. My 2c.

**imported_Dude** · 12-13-2006, 01:30 PM

I have never had luck with ppc. But, i think is possible.

**widgets** · 12-16-2006, 02:30 PM

I try adwords for 1 cent a click, it give me the traffic , but i had to quit it because my ctr was to low.
I never try it to use it for a product, but i believe that there are some legit tricks with adwords.
try youtube ( adwords)

**Batesy** · 12-18-2006, 03:11 PM

Thanks for all the great answers guys - I didn't even realize until today that my question was chosen!

I think I will continue researching until I'm a little more comfortable diving in - although I feel like I do just need to dive right in to start truly understanding how everything works.