Internet Marketing Tycoon

**MyDebtFreeClub** · 08-04-2007, 11:56 PM

Hi all,

I don,t get why everyone seems to like Google/ Adsense so much. Doesn't this form of advertising just steal you hard earned traffic? I don't see the benefit of driving traffic to my website, just to earn a few pennies from someone clicking away. Before I have had a chance to Monetize them. Google has this scam figured out, where do their ads get placed? Right where the page opens. A good percentage of YOUR traffic is history before they read the title of your website.
The only link away from my website is to one of my Affiliated programs or a JV partners website, or Banner exchange, etc.
Seriously, does it not make better sense to link to your other Affiliate programs and trap the traffic. Even better link them to a splash page offering a free gift, by having them fill out a form, that builds your list, then send them to the Affiliate home site. I don't get it, someone will have to explain why Google is so great, They seem to have everyone's attention, Personally I think they suck!:2guns:

**rembrandt** · 08-05-2007, 02:09 AM

If your traffic predominatley comes from Google then you don't have much choice but to work within their rules which sometimes limits the opportunity of running other advertising to comply with Google guidelines. After all if your traffic is coming from Google and thats what is driving your sales then you'll want to stay up high in the SERP's. However if your using other traffic generation techniques like social networking for example, then losing SERP rankings might not be such a big deal but I think it depends on your own business model. Unfortunately sometimes Google is King.

**MyDebtFreeClub** · 08-05-2007, 11:48 AM

rembrandt what your saying is true, that if you are involved with PPC with Google you have to play the game their way. I agree SER is important, but do those little Google ads, count as relevant content, to aid in your search engine ranking? I doubt it, now if your return click rate from PPC is being monetized and it is your primary way to develop traffic, then the trade off might be worth it. I just hate those little Google ads stealing my websites "Hot Spot", giving the fact you have about 10 seconds to capture a visitor's attention. If that visitor is going to click away I would just like the opportunity to some what control where they go.

**briansol** · 08-05-2007, 06:18 PM

its all about bounce rates.

89% of my SE visitors are 1 page bouncers.

they are going to leave any way.
i'd rather them leave through an ad

**Brandon** · 08-06-2007, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by briansol

its all about bounce rates.

89% of my SE visitors are 1 page bouncers.

they are going to leave any way.
i'd rather them leave through an ad

good point, I need to find out what my bounce rate is.

**freelancesam** · 08-06-2007, 06:38 AM

how is that done?

**handsome rob** · 08-06-2007, 02:26 PM

It really is a game of volume and conversion rate.

Adsense arbitrage is a perfect example. Even if you're only making an average of $0.01 per visitor, the right volume can make you some nice change.

You build a MFA site/page. Drive 1,000 visitors to it per day, making an average of 1 cent per visitor. (these are obviously bogus numbers)

Now you've got $10/day. Try not to spend it all in one place.

But you take that $10/day and keep buying new domains for new niches to target. Eventually you've got 100 sites and you're making $365,000/year.

Again, bogus numbers, but you get the idea.

Now if you're driving 2,000 visits a day to your one niche affiliate site, and have a 1% conversion rate on a product that makes you $50/sale, you're still making $365,000/year.

Reading it on a forum makes it sound a lot easier than it is. Remember that these are bogus numbers and don't take into account algorithm changes, advertiser chargebacks, possibility of losing your adsense account, advertising expense, hosting charges, opportunity cost for writing copy and developing sites, time spent losing money while split/multivariate testing your landing pages, seo, the time it takes to learn how to optimize all the different metrics involved...

Same reason why everybody doesn't play pro football.

**briansol** · 08-06-2007, 03:04 PM

i thought that was because we are fat out of shape computer nerds

but Rob makes some good points

**Frito Pie** · 08-06-2007, 06:11 PM

Yes, but aren't MFA sites going downhill because of the Google's policy on arbitrage?

For me, I use Google to add content and provide services to my members. I have a relatively low bounce rate (30% or so) so while I would prefer those 30% bounce through an ad click, for my regular visitors who visit my site day after day, they really do read the Google ads and take advantage of the matching links. Its win-win for all. They get relevant information. I get paid.

**jesterx** · 08-06-2007, 08:52 PM

no i dont think this will happen at all.

I use google analystics on all my sites and find that it is the best one....all the other dont give you the "targeted traffic" why, well to answer your question.....because Everybody loves google, simple as that....I think you answered your own question....targeted traffic does come from yahoo and msn and....yadda yadda, but you are not going to get as good targeted traffic from google.

thats why on ypn and msn and miva my conversion rates go down a whole lot...but traffic coming from google is always pretty good imho.

hope this helps.

**handsome rob** · 08-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Google's arbitrage policy is meant to shake out the low hanging fruit -- those who are careless with their methods and those who don't know enough to know how to get around their roadblocks.

People will always be able to get over on the system. It's when bypassing the system becomes SOP for the mainstream newbie blackhatter that red flags go up.

**xhacker** · 08-17-2007, 10:02 AM

well because everybody cares about the money

**john546** · 08-21-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MyDebtFreeClub

Hi all,
The only link away from my website is to one of my Affiliated programs or a JV partners website, or Banner exchange, etc.

So what's different about your visitors leaving your site through Adsense and an affiliated program. The visitor will leave your site either way and still go to an advertisers site.

I agree about the bounce rate. If you have a high bounce rate then it's good to make them bounce of through an ad as with Adsense it matches your sites content and if your visitor came to that page from the SE's then they are most probably looking for that sort of content that is on that page and the adsense links will be further information to them meaning they will rather bounce of through an adsense link rather than nothing.

**Libertate** · 08-22-2007, 02:07 PM

I don't like Google. Sometimes I even, albeit irrationally, despise them.

I just know when I am in hell, the only one to make deals with is the devil.

**Sabri2007** · 08-28-2007, 10:37 PM

Hi. I have heard of the adsense before but I don't quite fully understand it. Would you be able to explain in a little more detail at your earliest convienence? I thank you ahead of time!

**MrSir** · 08-29-2007, 09:55 AM

adsense is the contextual advertising of the internet giant known as google. it is the leading contextual advertiser on the planet. pretty much everyone and their mama uses it.

**Frito Pie** · 08-29-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MrSir

...mama uses it.

Yes, she does.

**Brandon** · 08-29-2007, 04:31 PM

The Traffic

is why I like em

oops

I didn't notice I already posted here

must be an old thread..lol

**JuicyPayCheck** · 08-30-2007, 02:54 PM

That's funny... you are right, almost every momma uses it!

**Nirvana** · 09-02-2007, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyDebtFreeClub

Hi all,

I don,t get why everyone seems to like Google/ Adsense so much. Doesn't this form of advertising just steal you hard earned traffic? I don't see the benefit of driving traffic to my website, just to earn a few pennies from someone clicking away. Before I have had a chance to Monetize them. Google has this scam figured out, where do their ads get placed? Right where the page opens. A good percentage of YOUR traffic is history before they read the title of your website.
The only link away from my website is to one of my Affiliated programs or a JV partners website, or Banner exchange, etc.
Seriously, does it not make better sense to link to your other Affiliate programs and trap the traffic. Even better link them to a splash page offering a free gift, by having them fill out a form, that builds your list, then send them to the Affiliate home site. I don't get it, someone will have to explain why Google is so great, They seem to have everyone's attention, Personally I think they suck!:2guns:

Although I agree with you, some people have no trouble putting up 10-20 websites in a day just to profit from adsence. I would rather spend this time investing in my affiliate business, but different things work for different people..and the proof is in the money that some people are making with adsence alone.