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Old 08-02-2008, 06:45 AM Sig Links | FACTS
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Here's some information about signature links. In time, people are going to start asking about exactly how much they affect PR and whether 1000s are good for your site.

First of all I'll start with an expirement run by SEO expert, SweetFunny at DP forums.

SweetFunny created a brand new site with the name "SEO" in the URL. He added his site to his signiture on a few forums where his total post count amounted to ~18,000. This is 18,000 backlinks to his site (all forums were DOfollow). He noticed after a few months that his PR went from PR N/A to PR0. Of course, over time the PR of some of the threads he posted in with his signature may increase and therefore pass more Google juice but at the moment it seems that they do nothing.

Here is some information I have heard from a member at another webmater forum, I think SitePoint. Here's some great advice that he said:

"=> Any page that has a link to your site and is indexed and not intentionally blocking the link is a backlink.

=> Only nofollow links don't help with SERPS all others are useful to varying degrees.

=> Not all forums use nofollow.

=> How the searchengine spider know the link as a comment or forum signature? A link is just a link to the SE spiders.

=> Search engines aren't stupid. Indexing and organizing billions of pages everyday shows they have the ability to discern quite a bit about the pages they index.

=> Google will not penalize you for having signature links. If it did I'd be banned 100 times over.

=> Google doesn't recognize a page as a forum. They only see it has a page. It has no more or less weight then any other page.

=> If that page isn't relevant to your site, the links won't mean much. Plus with their being so many links on a forum page there will be little PR sent your way as well.

=> Duh. Why wouldn't I put my links in my sig? I don't post here for the signature links, though. I post to help others and learn and using my signature is a great bonus. Especially when you are approaching 19,000 posts.

=> Just keep in mind that although the quantity of backlinks may increase from forum sigs, the quality of backlinks you have won't has forum sig links aren't worth much to the search engines.

=> Forum signature links have little SEO value. The pages are usually off-topic, PR is diluted to the point of virtual uselessness, and you can be sure having 15,000 links from the same domain is devalued. Signatures are best used to drive traffic to your websites and hopefully from there you can get backlinks from other webmasters because they like your content.

=> Forum signatures and most directory links have extremely little SEO value. They're just about as low quality as it gets.

=> Forum signature links send almost no PR due to the low PR of the pages and countless links on them.

=> Forum signature links definitely are not quality links.

=> The links themselves don't have a lot of SEO value is the point. I get plenty of traffic from my sig as well. And if your sitepoint sig provides most of your traffic you really need to start promoting your website!

=> Forum sigs have very little value. But they do have some value. I wouldn't go joining lots of forums for the sake of getting your links in your sigs. It's not worth the effort. Participate in forums related to your topics and participate intelligently. Yes, you'll get some links out of it, but the effect they have from that perspective will be minuscule compared to the traffic you get from members who appreciate your intelligent posts and want to see what you've got going on.

=> For me forum sig links are a bonus for participating in a forum. It definitely isn't the reason why I join a forum and post.

=> Posting in forums for the sake of getting backlinks through signatures is a waste of time. The links have such little value that the ROI is just awful. But if you participate in forums then you should take advantage of your signature as you can get decent traffic and maybe even find others wanting to link to you because they like your site.

As far as your little experiment is concerned, I've changed my signature around several times and I have a crapload of posts. No significant changes for any terms I monitor.

=> 1) I do not participate at SitePoint so I can get signature links for ranking purposes. I participate because I enjoy the discussion and learning that occurs here. Before you were members here the SitePoint signatures were not visible to search engines yet I still accumulated 20,000+ posts so that is irrefutable.

=> 2) Since I have over 22,000 post I can tell you from direct experience those signature links don't do didly poo for my rankings.

=> 3) There's more to this world then SEO. I know you may find that hard to believe but it is true. Believe it or not people click on my signature links frequently. They do it because I (usually) offer helpful and insightful posts."

So basically you're going to get more direct traffic than you will ever get from the increase in SERPs you may hope to see from increasing backlinks.
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Old 08-03-2008, 01:12 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Great post pal, very informative. Keep up the good job
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Old 08-03-2008, 10:12 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Nice post and information. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 08-04-2008, 10:21 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Great post! I only use signatures to generate direct visitors! I would use forums even I wasn't able to add my signature! Forums are good for talking about things and...if you can get a few visitors per day while learning from other members...why not?But, I agree - they do almost nothing to your websites PR!
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:47 PM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Thanks for taking the time to post that thread.
You could have made it easier to read by deleting repetition. You mention quite a few times that the links are low quality and the PR transferred will be close to none.
Good post anyway as so many users are just here to spam and write posts such as:
"thanks for sharing info"
"great post, thanks"
"Get more backlinks"

Hopefully, they will all read your post and stop polluting forums
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:17 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Wow Pates, Maybe I should be spending more time writing articles. I wonder if the links in article resource boxes are credits???? Good Pluck
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Old 08-05-2008, 02:30 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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I just have a question: Let say a forum member has 1000 post (with 3 links); all sigs are pointed to different pages of a single website... Will it be count as 3000 BLs?

Another one: what if i suddenly change my link? Will all the BL given by that sigs will be not be count anymore?
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Old 08-05-2008, 10:49 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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all sigs are pointed to different pages of a single website... Will it be count as 3000 BLs?
Nope.
As forum posts get deeper in the forum structure they get less and less minuscule "value" to pass on and some will drop out of the SE index completely.
Go pick a thread from say, page 12 of any of the forum categories and see if you can find it in a search engine.
So your 3000 posts might be less than 100 that are active in a search engine index, probably even less if you have several posts in one thread.

NOW do you start to see why posting for signature links is simply more wasted effort and time.
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Old 08-06-2008, 01:23 PM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Nope.
As forum posts get deeper in the forum structure they get less and less minuscule "value" to pass on and some will drop out of the SE index completely.
Go pick a thread from say, page 12 of any of the forum categories and see if you can find it in a search engine.
So your 3000 posts might be less than 100 that are active in a search engine index, probably even less if you have several posts in one thread.

NOW do you start to see why posting for signature links is simply more wasted effort and time.
Make that a sticky. Maybe it will discourage most link posters
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Old 08-08-2008, 10:13 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Regarding on signature links, i must say it's effective for promoting our site specially for the SEO benefits. It's one thing you can increase your site by means of signatures.
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:01 PM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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Nice post, solid information.

+rep.
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Old 08-17-2008, 06:54 PM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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This caught my eye

=> If that page isn't relevant to your site, the links won't mean much. Plus with their being so many links on a forum page there will be little PR sent your way as well.

If you have a business that is related to the forum the link will have some value if your site has nothing to do with the forum, that link will have little value. This can be applied for any website.

However, if you offer good advice and your link is related to that advice you just might generate some business.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:46 PM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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nice post now i know it's importance..
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Old 08-20-2008, 12:01 AM Re: Sig Links | FACTS
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I agree that also that forum sig links have very little SEO value, but the threads themselves get indexed by search engines. I have seen many forums that Google favors over others and there threads seemed to get indexed and ranked in the top ten very quickly. Finding these threads is a good source of instant traffic if you post and provide useful content for everyone.
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Old 08-20-2008, 01:46 PM Missing the point.....
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Posting in forums is supposed to be to about participating in a community, asking, and answering questions. Forums are not supposed to be public spam machines.

Signature links are supposed to be something personal (hey, a little something about me) that you share with the community. I don't put my professional site (rhapsody.com) in my sig, it contains my personal one.

Try thinking about how to make the community a better place. If you give to the community, it will give back to you.

On a business note, if your marketing strategy revolves around signature links in forums, you are in serious trouble.
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