Internet Marketing Tycoon

**minimery01** · 12-04-2008, 02:22 AM

Hi,
Please tell me how can increase traffic to website.
Thanks.

**chrishirst** · 12-04-2008, 05:35 AM

Advertise

**HeavyShine** · 12-07-2008, 07:21 PM

PPC

Adwords, YSM, Adcenter

**jen.bas** · 12-22-2008, 06:02 PM

I think you should first research on which type of market you would like to get traffic from. After that, research on where these market usually hangs out, for example forums or hub sites.. and then place your ads on those places and interact with them as well.

**mattmer64** · 12-24-2008, 03:57 PM

Ive just started to use Googles Adwords and my traffic has increased slightly. Im only bidding small money on "longish" phrases (relevant to my site) I expect other people to search for, this way I am attracting customers who are more likely to monetise my site.

**magicvw** · 04:56 PM

Just FYO

My site has three periods a year where I advertise, as I'm connected with music exams which are sat 3 times a year.

Last session was November, so I used an Adwords campaign as usual.

My traffic increased by 200% - I'm talking small numbers though. I was getting about 500 unique visitors a month and it rose to 1500. I ran the campaign for 2 weeks and paid about £15 in total. I don't talk about conversions as I'm not really selling much, but my adsense account went up about 4 times.

After the end of the campaign, I then set about cleaning up my code, which was (and still is on some pages) a bit of a mess, and I restyled with a new css page, some rounded corners and tidied up the experience for my visitors.

December's traffic is already at 866 and is looking like hitting 1000 - so let's say a 100% increase, with no advertising.

Things I have done are

change to xhtml and check validation of pages on the w3 schools free validator (I think some pages had problems which prevented them displaying properly on some browsers),
Use H1 and H2 tags logically, before I was using h2 and h3 and virtually no h1.
alt attributes on pictures (part of the xhtml)
better site navigation for users
submitted xml sitemap to google
rip out all the rubbish html generated by dreamweaver and make the pages lighter
eliminate unnecessary tables

I am amazed to see such good results in such a short time. I can be pretty sure that my visitors are not mainly those achieved through the earlier adwords campaign, as after they take the exam most visitors have no need to come back (unfortunately!)

**chrishirst** · 12-24-2008, 05:00 PM

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December's traffic is already at 866 and is looking like hitting 1000 - so let's say a 100% increase, with no advertising.

So what you really need to know now is where these visitors are coming from.

**magicvw** · 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

So what you really need to know now is where these visitors are coming from.

Well I check my Awstats obviously, but I'm still a bit confused by some of the terminology in there...

Most of them come from bookmarks, but google is top of the list so I guess the new traffic is coming via google, followed by yahoo, followed by stumbleupon (a massive 14 - so exciting

)

**busweb** · 12-26-2008, 06:23 AM

Do some PR and some social network marketing so people will start know who you are and what you offer.

**chrishirst** · 12-26-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by magicvw

Most of them come from bookmarks, but google is top of the list so I guess the new traffic is coming via google, followed by yahoo, followed by stumbleupon (a massive 14 - so exciting

)

And does the StumbleUpon do anything other than leave

next thing now is to take the phrases (the real ones of course not the spoofed pharmacy and porn ones) and expand those into more phrases you can optimise the site for.

**magicvw** · 12-26-2008, 08:14 AM

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And does the StumbleUpon do anything other than leave

Probably not! But it's free, so who cares?

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

next thing now is to take the phrases (the real ones of course not the spoofed pharmacy and porn ones) and expand those into more phrases you can optimise the site for.

Take what phrases? I mean, my site is content - it's full of words and phrases about music theory because that's what it's about. However, I don't actually use the words "theory" or "music" that much, because they are so general and each of my pages is about something specific. I've wondered if it would be worth doing a bit more peppering of these words (although IMO it would make the content sound a bit contrived).

Any thoughts? I don't feature anywhere on Google for "Music theory" but I do get picked up a lot on the specifics like "triads in bass clef " (no.2) or "f minor descending scale" (no.6)... I have always thought that there are too many big guys around to even bother competing for "Music theory" - is it worth it in your opinion?

**chrishirst** · 12-26-2008, 10:51 AM

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Probably not! But it's free, so who cares?

You should care, traffic without purpose is a waste of server resources and bandwidth. There is really only one instance where traffic without purpose is worth bothering with, and that is if you are a using a CPM advertising model to finance the site.

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Take what phrases?

The phrases that search engines send visitors to your pages for. That information is pure gold. It's not the extrapolated and inflated data that comes from keyword tools, it's what real people are typing in to find information.
What you have to do is take that phrase and optimise a page around it and a couple of other related phrases. Each time you create a new page you will start to see more and more REAL phrases, it will become self sustaining as you get more practice.
Forget where the pages "rank", all that should concern you is that the page gets found.

**magicvw** · 12-26-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

You should care, traffic without purpose is a waste of server resources and bandwidth. There is really only one instance where traffic without purpose is worth bothering with, and that is if you are a using a CPM advertising model to finance the site.

It's sweet of you to care about my bandwith!

I don't think I need to worry just now with only 14 stumble visitors out of c.1000 and a bandwidth usage at less than 0.03% ... I think I can welcome in a few SU visitors on the offchance that one of them may actually be interested in my obscure subject matter!

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

The phrases that search engines send visitors to your pages for. That information is pure gold. It's not the extrapolated and inflated data that comes from keyword tools, it's what real people are typing in to find information.
What you have to do is take that phrase and optimise a page around it and a couple of other related phrases. Each time you create a new page you will start to see more and more REAL phrases, it will become self sustaining as you get more practice.
Forget where the pages "rank", all that should concern you is that the page gets found.

I still don't really buy into this idea of creating a page around a keyphrase though - my site is content in itself- I write for pleasure not for search engines... (perhaps my downfall

) If I write a page about cadences, then obviously the word "cadence" is going to pop up a lot.

I don't use any "keyword tools" as you call them, (at least I don't think I do). The phrases I quoted above are just from the list of REAL phrases that people found my site by as listed in my Awstats. I don't know which search engines they used them in, I just put them into google myself out of interest.

Thanks for taking the time to answer my posts and offer advice Chris - I appreciate it a lot

. I have read a billion(ish) of your posts on this forum and respect you a lot

**Knewthis.com** · 12-26-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by HeavyShine

PPC

Adwords, YSM, Adcenter

If you are new to webmastering, I would strictly advice - DONT GO FOR ADVERTISING!

For one, PPC itself is an art..needs a lot of trial and error to master it. You have to analyze keyword lists, narrow down to your list of keywords, then spend money. It might not work., then you try modifying the keyword list - well, it's a long lengthy process..definitely not what a newbie should be doing.

I would advise the topic starter to give good genuine content. Refer your link to your friends, let them also read it..probably they will refer it to their friends and it spreads. By friends, I also mean online friends, whom you can network through social networks. Besides, as you give good content, you will start seeing natural inbound links and over a period of time, you should see traffic flowing, as well see your website climb up the search engine rankings

**suraja** · 12-26-2008, 02:03 PM

Ins hort, you have to learn more and more...

**chrishirst** · 12-26-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Knewthis.com

I would advise the topic starter to give good genuine content. Refer your link to your friends, let them also read it..probably they will refer it to their friends and it spreads.

You may not have noticed but the topic starter won't be following this thread any longer.

**chrishirst** · 12-26-2008, 03:49 PM

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The phrases I quoted above are just from the list of REAL phrases that people found my site by as listed in my Awstats. I don't know which search engines they used them in, I just put them into google myself out of interest.

One unfortunate issue with most analysers I'm afraid is that they don't give the query to SE info.

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I still don't really buy into this idea of creating a page around a keyphrase though - my site is content in itself- I write for pleasure not for search engines... (perhaps my downfall ) If I write a page about cadences, then obviously the word "cadence" is going to pop up a lot.

And that is a good thing, because you are focussed on the real visitors, so a little tweaking to naturally include the useful phrases and you will be a good copywriter for your particular chosen specialist area.

Basically it comes down to why your site exists;
If it is purely altruistic then generating qualified (or otherwise) traffic is not really an issue, but if at some point you want it to be at least self sustaining and it pays for the hosting and domain costs by using affiliate adverts etc, then getting good traffic become a requirement.
The music teacher database you want to create is one way that it can build an income.
If you can show prospective advertisers (it's a paid model for "featured" entries

) good qualified traffic stats then you can ask a reasonable fee for the featured pages.

**magicvw** · 12-26-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

The music teacher database you want to create is one way that it can build an income.
If you can show prospective advertisers (it's a paid model for "featured" entries

) good qualified traffic stats then you can ask a reasonable fee for the featured pages.

Thanks - I hadn't thought of that!

But I am struggling with learning PHP so the database is on the backburner for now. I just need some time and peace and quiet to sit down and learn what to do, but peace and quiet is rare in our house!

Good point as to why a site exists - why does my site exist? Because I enjoy writing it, but I'd also like it to pay me some money too! I usually manage to sell a few worksheets around exam times, and that in itself actually covers my hosting and domain name (£30 a year in all - not too hard to meet). But now you have given me an extra incentive to dig my php book out again, I feel inspired - thanks!

**Isabella_Smith** · 12-27-2008, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by minimery01

Hi,
Please tell me how can increase traffic to website.
Thanks.

It seems this guy has banned. So we should leave this thread now.

waste!

**Knewthis.com** · 12-27-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

And that is a good thing, because you are focussed on the real visitors, so a little tweaking to naturally include the useful phrases and you will be a good copywriter for your particular chosen specialist area.

Good point Chrishirst. To elaborate more on that, I would say that this is the perfect mantra to top the SERPS over a long term period.

If you have been following the numerous SEO changes that Google has incorporated over the past 8-9 years, you would observe that the changes have been made simply to weed off the wannabee sites from authority sites. That is why most of the websites that have made it to the top on numerous niches have been from those who have a passion for the same.

You do not need to stuff keywords artificially to rank. Just that you need to use your knowledge and put it in a way that people might be searching on Google.

-Knewthis?