Internet Marketing Tycoon

**Vasity** · 07-01-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Probably about the three most useless form of link building imaginable.

lol......This guy is comedy?...lol. I am on "Webmaster Freebies" or Webmaster AND/OR FREEBIES www.msn.com =) not on G, there stupid PR system is in the way,...lol but I got this ranking..and many others from using these free "useless link building technqiues. Forums = Backlink/maybetraffic directory=pr juice. SOcial networking <--- That i don't even mess with.

Webmaster Freebies Is one of the highest searched webmaster keywords..bam. Sweet Justice.

**stOx** · 07-01-2007, 03:41 PM

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Webmaster Freebies Is one of the highest searched webmaster keywords

There are only 146,000 occurrences of that term on Google.

I think it's got to the point where you are only trying to convince yourself of this imaginary success.

**ExpertForumGuy** · 07-01-2007, 07:19 PM

Quality links?
Find high quality article directories, write a professional looking article on squidoo.com and link it back

and there are some web directories out there that offer high quality one way back links.

Just work really hard, and you'll find them.

**Vasity** · 07-01-2007, 11:11 PM

Yea work hard, by typing in HIGH PR DIRECTORIES in GOOG. This will lead you to the "LARGETS DIRECTORY LIST" there is...o_O of high PR (free) places.

**chrishirst** · 07-02-2007, 04:31 AM

Vasity
Your post at #21 merely demonstrates just how useless those places are for gaining QUALITY links. NOTE WELL that the OP specified QUALITY links.

Article directories, forum signatures, blog comments, directories, "social bookmarking sites", sites of the "pixel ad" variety, link exchange (reciprocal or not) are NOT sources of quality links.

**jamestl2** · 07-29-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Article directories, forum signatures, blog comments, directories, "social bookmarking sites", sites of the "pixel ad" variety, link exchange (reciprocal or not) are NOT sources of quality links.

Haven't heard of many other forms of links. What type of quality links would you suggest? Would it depend on the type of site you have, where different sites have different forms of quality?

**stOx** · 07-29-2007, 06:02 PM

The other forms of links are links that you have got naturally, That are from an authority site and are based on merit.

Any link you have to get yourself isn't going to be of particularly high quality.

**jamestl2** · 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stOx

Any link you have to get yourself isn't going to be of particularly high quality.

So basically we have no control over getting quality links ourselves, besides writing good content?

Do we just sit around and wait for people to link to us that like our content, and this is the best type of linking available?

**vangogh** · 07-31-2007, 12:32 AM

I think you can get quality links on your own, but many of the obvious links building tactics might not be such high quality links.

These are generalities, but if a link will drive real targeted traffic to your site it's probably a quality link. Let's say you own a site selling maps of bike trails. If you had a link on a site selling bicycles then it would probably send targeted traffic your way.

How you might get that link would depend on the site. If they allowed you to write articles for them you could write an article with links back to your site. You could do something to attract the attention of the site owner in some way to make him want to link to you. Maybe an article on your site where you link to his. Maybe you could contact the site owner and directly ask for a link

Ultimately it's easier to get links by having something worth linking to on your site. If you do and you can get the word out to a few of the right people the word can spread and you get plenty of links.

**ForrestCroce** · 07-31-2007, 01:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jamestl2

What about those sites that have tons of great content, but nobody is linking to them? (Such as newer ones)

That's where patience comes in. Any site with great content is ahead of 90 % of their competition. Getting noticed is the easy part. Seek out people who share your interests, and will genuinely want to see your site.

Read The Tipping Point, by Malcolm Gladwell.

**jamestl2** · 07-31-2007, 01:52 PM

Alright, thanks for the explanation everyone.

I don't suppose there are any tools that inform you just how effective certain links could be, are there?
(Like how Google calculates how much they are worth.)

I know there are link checking tools, like entering link:, or backlinkwatch.com, but they don't really tell you how valuable they are.

**vangogh** · 07-31-2007, 07:25 PM

There are plenty of tools out there that will claim to tell you what is or isn't a good links and some of them are very useful. I like the tools at SEO Book.

But the best tool of all is your own brain. No tool can tell you precisely what the best links are going to be for your site.

Sometimes it helps if you take search engines out of the equation. If you think a link can directly send targeted traffic to your site then chances are a search engine will see the link as a good one. That's obviously very general advice, but I think it can get you thinking along the right lines.

**seolman** · 07-31-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jamestl2

Alright, thanks for the explanation everyone.

I don't suppose there are any tools that inform you just how effective certain links could be, are there?
(Like how Google calculates how much they are worth.)

As his royal highness Gogh has indicated, the best tool is your brain. A good way to use it is reviewing your web logs to see which URL's (incoming links) are bringing you the most traffic. From this you can seek out similar sources.

It is also a good idea to put some tracking software on the site to determine which URL's brought you the most ROI. Example: you may get a lot of traffic from one URL but if the visitors are not buying or clicking ads it is not good quality traffic. On the other hand, you may have relatively few visitors from another URL but if most of them are buying or clicking ads - obviously you would want to exploit this and similar sources more fully.

**vangogh** · 08-01-2007, 12:32 AM

Cool I'm royalty. Who knew?

**jamestl2** · 08-01-2007, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vangogh

But the best tool of all is your own brain. No tool can tell you precisely what the best links are going to be for your site.

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Originally Posted by vangogh

Sometimes it helps if you take search engines out of the equation. If you think a link can directly send targeted traffic to your site then chances are a search engine will see the link as a good one. That's obviously very general advice, but I think it can get you thinking along the right lines.

I had a feeling that using your personal knowledge was probably the case.

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Originally Posted by seolman

It is also a good idea to put some tracking software on the site to determine which URL's brought you the most ROI. Example: you may get a lot of traffic from one URL but if the visitors are not buying or clicking ads it is not good quality traffic.

Isn’t all traffic quality traffic? Unless you also refer to returning visitors, who like to view your content again and again.

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Originally Posted by seolman

On the other hand, you may have relatively few visitors from another URL but if most of them are buying or clicking ads - obviously you would want to exploit this and similar sources more fully.

Tracking software is a good idea, which is why I installed hittail awhile back.

**ADAM Web Design** · 08-01-2007, 02:06 AM

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Isn’t all traffic quality traffic? Unless you also refer to returning visitors, who like to view your content again and again.

No. That's why pyramid traffic schemes and link schemes exist...to prey upon the uninformed and ignorant. Unfortunately, they often work.

If it's traffic that comes from an organic referral or a search engine, then yes, it's quality traffic. Anything else isn't...unless it somehow converts, which is unlikely.

**seolman** · 08-01-2007, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jamestl2

Isn’t all traffic quality traffic? Unless you also refer to returning visitors, who like to view your content again and again.

Certainly loyal visitors is what every site wants. However, in the case of bringing in new traffic, choosing the right source can be critical to a site's success. For example: If you run a mortgage web site the obvious place to get links would be from Realtor web sites; forums and blogs related to home buying; home inspection companies etc. If you simply placed a link on any site that is willing to give you one, this would not necessarily bring you potential customers.

**ForrestCroce** · 08-01-2007, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jamestl2

Isn’t all traffic quality traffic? Unless you also refer to returning visitors, who like to view your content again and again.

How could the answer be anything but "it depends?" Anything else would just be too simple.

What are your goals for the site? If it's to sell something, which doesn't seem to be the case with your site, people who come to the site and buy something are good traffic, people who come, look around, leave, and come back later to make a purchase are good traffic, and everyone else is a waste of bandwidth and CPU cycles.

If it's to build and sell a database of email addresses, you have a required spam prevention field to leave a comment, but it's not part of the comment form. If your goal is to make a profit from ad revenue, then viewers who click your ads are good traffic, and everyone else is a waste.

Of course there's an exception in fine print saying anyone who likes your site but doesn't "convert," or fulfill your goal, but links to your site is good traffic, too.

My goal in running my site is to be more widely known for my photography. If someone mentions Ansel Adams, everyone pictures a black and white photo of weather in Yosemite; I want to make my name synonymous with outstanding photography. So, in my case, "bounces" are bad ... if a person comes to my site and leaves immediately, I probably haven't accomplished anything. If someone finds my site, by whatever means, looks at a few galleries and clicks through to check out individual photos, I've made an impression. Hopefully a lasting one, at least that's what I'm working on.

"Visitor Engagement" is a metric I'm starting to play with and track. I'm not sure yet whether trends here will tell me more than other numbers, but I can get back to you on that.

**vangogh** · 08-01-2007, 06:54 PM

James all traffic is not created equal. What's quality is somewhat depending on the goals of your site.

Let's say your site sells 'blue widgets' Someone finding you with a search for 'free blue widgets' isn't quality traffic, because as soon as they realize you charge for your widgets they're probably leaving. It would be much better to have someone visit your site with the desire to buy a 'blue widget'

It's not always cut and dry though. Someone might visit looking for information on 'blue widgets' that might have no intention of buying at the moment. If that person lands on a page answering their questions or manages to find a page they might remember you when they later are ready to buy.

Another example would be a local business. If you sell real estate in Phoenix Arizona then it's not as great as it seems to rank well for the phrase 'real estate' Most people looking for real estate aren't looking specifically in Phoenix. Those people will leave your site without having done anything you want.

What you're ideally looking for is traffic that is predisposed to do what you want it to when it lands on your site. That will depend on the goals for your site of course. You may want someone to buy something or to sign up for a newsletter or to subscribe to your blog or click on a link to an affiliate or any of a number of things.

Traffic that can not be converted into something more than traffic now or in the future no matter what you do isn't all that valuable. You're going to get that traffic whether you want to or not, but you shouldn't be actively trying to get that kind of traffic.

**jamestl2** · 08-01-2007, 07:38 PM

Thanks for all the traffic advice everyone.

I suppose I was just assuming that since my site is more of a "fun site" that is more generalized, any traffic would be good for me, which isn't the case with many websites.

Maybe I should try to figure out just who would like my type of site, and find links from people who also write on the various topics I write about.