Internet Marketing Tycoon

**Perry** · 08-31-2007, 08:57 PM

Uhhh, when you keep on reading them, there, gringo.

I like that word, "dense."

**Learning Newbie** · 09-03-2007, 06:04 PM

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I like that word, "dense."

Wonder why that could be?

Is this how you write your articles? Do you call the reader stupid throughout, just to let them know they really shouldn't be reading anything you wrote?

**sandbox** · 09-03-2007, 09:15 PM

I've gone back and read all the comments again in this thread and I have to say I am even more convinced that writing articles for other sites doesn't work.

It takes me over an hour to write an article, is it not better for me to write that article and publish it on my own site instead of someone else's?

There would be only one copy and you would have to come to my site to read it.

OK here's an example, I write a really great article, I mean really great (spell checked and everything) this article is so good 10,00 people are going to need to read it. what do I do?

A) put it on my site, maybe put a link in my forum sig to it (if it's relevant), tell a few people about it and watch the traffic build naturally. the 10,000 people who read this article will visit my site and because all the other stuff on my site is written by me and on the same subject many of those visitors will bookmark or link to my site.

B) post it to 1,000 article directories, none of the 10,000 people who read the article will come to my site unless they click the resourse box at the bottom of the page, which competes with all the other links on that page. when I do a search for a phrase in my article there are now 1,000 article sites competeing with me. Oh wait a minute... I've just found some amazing informtion to add to my article but I can't edit 1,000 copies of my article all on different sites. maybe I got something wrong if it's on my site I can change it before I look like a fool if it's on another site I have to just live with it. ( I like the word "dense" doooohh if that was on your own site you could edit out learning newbie's put down) priceless.

**fitnfree** · 09-03-2007, 11:30 PM

Again ... I'm with sandbox. Been doing this article thing for 7 years and rarely bother with article directories any longer. My energies are far better spent working on my own site to keep improving it for my own visitors.

**ForrestCroce** · 09-04-2007, 12:03 AM

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OK here's an example, I write a really great article, I mean really great (spell checked and everything) this article is so good 10,00 people are going to need to read it. what do I do?

Generally you're better off with the article on your site, building more valuable and unique content over time. Not unique as in it'll pass a copyscape, but in the sense that what you've written is filled with new ideas. Like you said, really great, spell checked and everything...

There isn't probably a set number of people who'll need to read your article it's so good. Everybody will; or, more likely, everybody within your niche. I can write the best photography article in history and bore painters to death. But if I can find 20,000 photographers to read it, the second half won't stop.

So ... the question I ask myself is whether the publishing the article on another site - and generally only one other site - is whether they'll be able to bring so much more traffic than I would be able to, to make up for everything else. If the text is only on your site, it's pretty easy to prove ownership, and to take it down if you want to sell it, with exclusive rights, to a print magazine. But, if another site can show an article with my name on it to 10,000 people, who don't know about me, that might be worth the trade-off.

**Perry** · 09-04-2007, 12:07 AM

"It takes me over an hour to write an article, is it not better for me to write that article and publish it on my own site instead of someone else's?"

Doesn't it make sense to do both? You direct other sites' readers to a landing page that holds a product you are selling. And you can use the same articles for, God knows how many other sites.

And other sites have A LOT of daily visitors. Multiply that by X amount of sites submitted to, and the readership level could be very high.

B) post it to 1,000 article directories"

You said you read the thread? Content sites, that I mentioned earlier, like iVillage, Askmen, About...aren't like the such. Besides, most directories don't work, which is why I didn't mention them. I don't mess with 'em.

Well, anyway, some aren't cut out to write and submit articles, and some are, and they make money from it, like the ones who submit articles to content sites.

Just like everything else out there, it's different strokes for different folks.

**ScottHughes** · 09-04-2007, 10:22 PM

For those who say that submitting articles to directories isn't that good of a promotion method, then what is?

I've been told by some people that article writing is the best free marketing method. If not, then what is?

Having a good website is useless unless you can get some traffic to it.

**contact247** · 09-05-2007, 03:43 AM

I guess so!! because it works with the blogsites

**Learning Newbie** · 09-06-2007, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry

And other sites have A LOT of daily visitors. Multiply that by X amount of sites submitted to, and the readership level could be very high.

Wow. Now I'm impressed. "Other sites" have "a lot" of traffic, and if you multiply "a lot" by "x" you get instant riches. Hoo boy.

What's your vested interest in convincing people that writing articles and duplicating them on your own and "other sites" equals money, Perry?

**scorpionagency** · 09-11-2007, 04:04 PM

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Portion Of SANDBOX's Post: B) post it to 1,000 article directories, none of the 10,000 people who read the article will come to my site unless they click the resourse box at the bottom of the page, which competes with all the other links on that page. when I do a search for a phrase in my article there are now 1,000 article sites competeing with me. Oh wait a minute... I've just found some amazing informtion to add to my article but I can't edit 1,000 copies of my article all on different sites. maybe I got something wrong if it's on my site I can change it before I look like a fool if it's on another site I have to just live with it. ( I like the word "dense" doooohh if that was on your own site you could edit out learning newbie's put down) priceless.

In addition to that, you have to think about how a search engine works & what the mathematical algorithm may do to you.

For Example: Say you do send it to the 10,000 Sandbox used as a hypothetical #. Now you have 10,000 IDENTICAL Articles. A search engine will only list ONE of those copies in the main index to prevent 10,000 of the same duplicate article taking up 1,000 pages of search results.

The most important fact here is that YOU May be one of the ones that doesn't List for your OWN article (This mainly happens if a More authoritative site has been issued a copy of your article).

Why take the chance?

(I suggest that you Set up a CMS & Or blogging type system on your own site so you can easily track / edit / update your article's inhouse. Or you can do the long drawn out way of individually adding a new Article.html page & manually updating the navigation each time.)

Not that any of this helped, but it might have

**Perry** · 10:03 PM

lol at newbie.

"instant riches." lol

No interest in trying to "convince." Just wanted to get it off my chest. And now I'm just replying back to posts. You, know, like you are doing. lol Oh, man!

"Say you do send it to the 10,000 Sandbox used as a hypothetical #. Now you have 10,000 IDENTICAL Articles. A search engine will only list ONE of those copies in the main index to prevent 10,000 of the same duplicate article taking up 1,000 pages of search results."

Makes sense, but does anyone really know for sure???

But why do it for the search engines anyway, when it is unreliable, and a lot of others are doing the same thing when doing SEO? It's a roll of the dice if you are able to get on page one, or on the first few pages. There are thousands, perhaps tens of thousands doing the same SEO. Not everyone can fit on the first few pages.

Besides, many sites, like About, Askmen, MSN....will change a few keywords, and whatnot on the page to make it different. It's very feasible t see the same article on the first few pages of a serach.

For me, and other writers, it's better to just submit articles on a weekly basis to quality, high-traffic sites.

Any articles on our site, well, hell, all we do is change a few words in it here and there. ... It is now a different article to the spiders' eyes. We now have articles in our site, and in others.

But, like I said before, different strokes for different folks.

**scorpionagency** · 10:20 PM

The post wasn't to reiterate & focus on search engines, it was merely an additional reason added to the several others posted on this thread as to why submitting YOUR article to other websites for use as content alternatives is not such a good idea.

I have written hundreds of articles myself, however i don't distribute them for others to use on their sites as supporting content to aid in their business scheme. (If they want a unique article they can pay for ghostwriting services)

I add mine to a slowly growing article / tutorial archive on my site so that others can link directly to me. I am still an old fashioned "CONTENT IS KING" believer I suppose.

I can see that my methodology may not be your cup of tee & as you said yourself, to each their own.

If your method works for YOU, thats all that counts right? I wish you Luck.

**ForrestCroce** · 09-12-2007, 01:43 AM

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No interest in trying to "convince." Just wanted to get it off my chest. And now I'm just replying back to posts. You, know, like you are doing. lol Oh, man!

Fair enough. You have every right to your opinion, and to express it civilly. What really matters at the end of the day is how well it works for you, and since the inner workings of the search engines, we're all experimenting. Like you said: "Makes sense, but does anyone really know for sure???"

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Not everyone can fit on the first few pages.

Maybe. But there are a lot of first few pages. Consider "manfrotto 3021" where I land at #11. Or "quantaray ultra-pro" where I'm #1, ahead of Ritz, Wolf, and everyone else who charges $100 for the thing. It's only moderately competitive, but the traffic that phrase brings in is highly targeted. The tripod falls apart within a week - I've had two of them, and link out to other people having the same problem. Anyway, the question is less where you rank exactly, than whether it's possible for people to find you through different terms. There are dozens of long tail variations on each of these in my server logs; that one post has brought about 250 people in to the site in the first 10 days of this month.

Note: those links go to Google searches - I'm not cheating.

The point is if you write good articles, and I don't think anyone is doubting you are, you can get them to rank easily. On your own site, if you choose to. The Manfrotto / Bogen legs cost $200, I don't even sell them or monetize the site, and I'm at the top of page 2. Okay, that one takes you to my site, as long as I'm talking about it...

A balance is probably good for most people. Most of the articles I write wind up on one of my sites, but occasionally I'll write one for a "high authority" and high traffic site.

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For me, and other writers, it's better to just submit articles on a weekly basis to quality, high-traffic sites.

If that works for you, then great. Would you be so generous as to elaborate on what some of these sites might be?

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Originally Posted by Perry

Any articles on our site, well, hell, all we do is change a few words in it here and there. ... It is now a different article to the spiders' eyes.

This isn't true, actually. You'd have to change a lot or most of the words before at least Google sees it as original. They've gotten pretty good about duplicate content, and about linguistic algorithms in general ... their translation service isn't very poetic, but between that, the way they recognize synonyms, abbreviations and alternate spellings, and such, it's harder than you'd think to beat that filter. Although it's only part of what triggers a supplemental listing.

**john546** · 09-13-2007, 04:11 AM

Writing articles and submitting them to article directories or other sites will get you a few backlinks, but not as many as you may think when it comes to google. A large majority of the sites that publish your articles, the page that the article is on will be hit by the duplicate content filter and therefore it will either go into the supplemental results or be de-indexed. Either way the link pointing back to your site on that page will be worthless due to that.

**Murema** · 09-13-2007, 11:48 AM

ave read all your post,im relatively new in this article writing marketing technique, so i ask what is the best way to do it, any place i can get ideas?

**chrishirst** · 09-13-2007, 01:13 PM

What are you interested in or passionate about??

because that is where you start.

**Learning Newbie** · 09-13-2007, 01:17 PM

Wait. You're not telling him to "write what you know" are you? Man, look at you, always giving out the good advice and soaking up all the TP.

**sam500** · 11-20-2007, 02:19 AM

I agree with the valuable information of sandbox

**microtekblue** · 11-20-2007, 10:23 PM

Article writing is a major part of SEO...you cant deny article syndications if you want proper SEO done.

Articles are not dead...what is dead are the articles you are syndicating.

Just think for a moment....If you are syndicating a crappy article...WHY would any Quality and Relevant site want to post it?

YESS you MUST spend a little time and money and writing skills for a GOOD article that you are syndicating...Otherwise you will get back links from the crappy sites...and the Relevant sites that you want wont link to you... becuz you are giving them crap!

So take the time and write decent content for syndication and stop submitting those articles that you paid $5 for.

Then you will see a difference.

**chrishirst** · 11-21-2007, 04:12 AM

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Article writing is a major part of SEO...you cant deny article syndications if you want proper SEO done

No it isn't, article writing and syndication etc is part of the wider aspect of Search Engine Marketing.