Internet Marketing Tycoon

**sarpras2005@yah** · 07-11-2007, 10:39 AM

More than 100 articles posted in over 300 websites with links back to your home site are very effective advertising. One of the main reasons for using articles to promote your website is that in each article, you are effectively creating a link back to your website.

**cutiger95** · 07-11-2007, 10:12 PM

Article writing for your website is and extremely useful method to spread your links across the internet.

Each article when submitted are posted to the article directories. These directories generally do not provide the pop that you need but are the foundation to your marketing plan.

Other website owners will pop-in and pull articles from these free article sites with your links inside of them. These links will then come back to your site. So as time moves forward so do your articles.

Blog posting and Forum posting are a quick hit item. But writing and submitting articles will cause a permanent backlink to your site that will only increase with time. So if you can't write get someone to write for you. Article marketing is the one true way to insure permanent links to your site.

**chrishirst** · 07-12-2007, 09:06 AM

Not that either of the two people advocating this now done to death idea have a vested interest in the over exagerrated value of "article marketing"

**BreaktheSilence** · 07-13-2007, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Not that either of the two people advocating this now done to death idea have a vested interest in the over exagerrated value of "article marketing"

Certainly not...

Why, that would be downright unethical...

**abhifrds2005** · 07-13-2007, 05:18 AM

is thr any sites on that i can post my web advertising............?

**sandbox** · 07-13-2007, 10:33 AM

Sorry I have to disagree, Writing articles for other sites to garner links is pretty much a waste of time, here's why:

You have no control over they type of sites that link to you through the article, if they can't be bothered to write there own content what else can't they be bothered to do?

Why write content for other sites? write it for your own.

Most article directories use adsense to make money from your article, so now you have another page competing for your adsense dollar.

There is no guarantee that someone will link back to your site when they use your article.

Have you trawled through the garbage articles on these type of sites (I'm generalising here) and do you really want to have your quality work as bedfellows. When I want a diamond I go to fine jewellery store not a dung heap hoping to find one by sifting through the poop.

Articles directories are a joint venture in laziness between directory owners who can't be bothered to write their own content and website owners who put as little effort as possible into making articles just to get a link.

There are better ways to get links, can anyone show me any website that uses this technique and ranks well?

(no offence intended I just have strong views)

**fitnfree** · 07-13-2007, 11:47 AM

Sandbox has a lot of valid points ... well said, sandbox!

I have heaps of articles and it's next to impossible to sit here and submit to one directory after another. Very time consuming, tedious, and eventually outright annoying process. And with so many directories, it gets extremely difficult to keep up with them all. Then the articles get old, you forget where you had what and good grief, it can easily turn into a nightmare.

I think articles have their place, yes, but I don't think they're the be-all and end-all. You need to grab your visitor's first and foremost with them, after all. I just offer on my landing pages to allow visitors to use the articles with a link back. I do get people doing just that and that helps some.

**Learning Newbie** · 07-13-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sandbox

You have no control over they type of sites that link to you through the article, if they can't be bothered to write there own content what else can't they be bothered to do?

Wow, this is a really good point!

**Perry** · 08-24-2007, 08:30 PM

I'm sorry, but I have to get this off my chest.

"You have no control over they type of sites that link to you through the article,"

That's true. But what does it matter?

"if they can't be bothered to write there own content what else can't they be bothered to do?"

Many site owners don't have the time or the expertise to write articles.

"Most article directories use adsense to make money from your article, so now you have another page competing for your adsense dollar."

There isn't any competition. Google puts the same ads on many, many sites.

"There is no guarantee that someone will link back to your site when they use your article."

No, there isn't. And there is no guarantee that putting up an ad will get sales, either. You put it up, and hope for the best. The more sites you put the articles in, the more visitors you get.

"Have you trawled through the garbage articles on these type of sites (I'm generalising here) and do you really want to have your quality work as bedfellows."

I would. If my articles stand out over that heap of garbage...

Besides, one can always take the articles out of such sites.

"Articles directories are a joint venture in laziness between directory owners who can't be bothered to write their own content and website owners who put as little effort as possible into making articles just to get a link."

Not everyone can write articles. Directories, GOOD directories, are needed.

"There are better ways to get links, can anyone show me any website that uses this technique and ranks well?"

Askmen, DavesDaily, iVillage, craigslist, About.... And mine, in about 3 months. :-)

"I have heaps of articles and it's next to impossible to sit here and submit to one directory after another. Very time consuming, tedious, and eventually outright annoying process."

With any success comes work. How is this any different than looking for sites to advertise on?

Take out one hour a day, doing just this. Before you know it, you have accomplished quite a bit.

"And with so many directories, it gets extremely difficult to keep up with them all. Then the articles get old, you forget where you had what and good grief, it can easily turn into a nightmare."

With each site that carries your articles, you write that site down in your list. Put them in alphabetical order. Then have your logging system show who is coming into your site in alphabetical order. Then compare the two. Any site that isn't giving you any traffic, drop them.

Easy.

Sorry, I know I am new here, but I really had to get that off my chest.

Whew!

Thanks.

**seolman** · 11:18 PM

Glad to see you got that off your chest Perry but here are a few points you (and others) may want to take into consideration:

a) By far the majority of articles written for submission to article sites are brief synopsis' of subjects the writer knows very little about designed to make a reader click on either links in the article or their signature link. I refer to these as spam articles.

b) Real customers are smart and can tell the difference between a well written article and a spam article.

c) The ratio of spam articles to real articles is about 9 trillion:1

d) Savvy customers quickly give up on filtering through spam articles trying to find one that may be a jewel filled with real information they can use.

e) The majority of traffic an article site receives are people submitting spam articles.

f) Quality writers wouldn't stoop to submitting their articles to the typical spam article site.

If you really want traffic, have a quality web site with good content and are knowledgeable about your chosen field, you'll get a lot more traffic from press releases, top blogger reviews of your site etc..

**Perry** · 11:57 PM

"a) By far the majority of articles written for submission to article sites are brief synopsis' of subjects the writer knows very little about designed to make a reader click on either links in the article or their signature link. I refer to these as spam articles."

I agree, but there are still some worthy articles amongst that crap.

"b) Real customers are smart and can tell the difference between a well written article and a spam article."

That's why one has to write a well-written article. If a high-traffic site can be found, and most of their articles is crap, but his stands out, that is more visitors for his site.

"c) The ratio of spam articles to real articles is about 9 trillion:1"

lol that many, huh? Ok.

"d) Savvy customers quickly give up on filtering through spam articles trying to find one that may be a jewel filled with real information they can use."

Of course. Did that really need to be pointed out?

"e) The majority of traffic an article site receives are people submitting spam articles."

Not all sites accepts just any ol' article. Unfortunately there aren'tt hat many. But, still, if one's articles are good...they stand out more so. And if he can get word of mouth going....

"f) Quality writers wouldn't stoop to submitting their articles to the typical spam article site."

I do. If the site looks good, it is user friendly, and the owner works with me in getting my articles out in the open, hell, why not? Many good writers do. If it brings in sales, why not? If it doesn't, THEN drop the site. Until then....

"f you really want traffic, have a quality web site with good content and are knowledgeable about your chosen field, you'll get a lot more traffic from press releases, top blogger reviews of your site etc.."

Press releases and blogging reviews do very little. But I do agree that advertising in other ways does do more than submitting articles.

**ForrestCroce** · 08-30-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Perry

"if they can't be bothered to write there own content what else can't they be bothered to do?"

Many site owners don't have the time or the expertise to write articles.

Then those people shouldn't have web sites, and are maintaining them for the wrong reasons. Which is fine; it's their $6 a month to host it. But it's kind of like people going to Best Buy to pick up a camera, having a few questions, and it becoming clear that they know more than the salesman. Not a good situation, and when somebody devotes an entire website to a subject they don't know much about, the general public is savvy enough to know they aren't going to find anything of value here ... and move on.

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Originally Posted by Perry

"f) Quality writers wouldn't stoop to submitting their articles to the typical spam article site."

I do. If the site looks good, it is user friendly, and the owner works with me in getting my articles out in the open, hell, why not? Many good writers do. If it brings in sales, why not? If it doesn't, THEN drop the site. Until then....

That's the question. The way you just phrased that sounds a lot different than what the guy who started this thread and runs an article directory is talking about.

I write technical articles for a very small handful of photography sites. I write an article specifically for a particular site, and they get the only copy of it. It's not often that I do this, but when I do, I don't publish the article even on my site. Because if 300 bloggers grab your article from the bin and paste it into WordPress, those pages are all going supplemental for duplicate content. Those dead pages will have links back to your site, but the links won't do you any good from a traffic or seo perspective.

On the other hand, if you're selective about the sites you'll write for, give them polished, informative, easy to read articles, this seems like a good way to get some name recognition and respect, and a little traffic and seo juice as icing on the cake. A couple of examples that have worked out well for me are:

Lens Lore for Newbies - I wrote this immediately after the first digital SLR camera most early adopters considered "affordable." Here were all these people who needed lenses, didn't know much about them, and had a dizzying array to choose from.
Black and White in Photoshop - It's actually a much more complicated subject than you could ever dream of. Everyone who replied has their own method, slightly to wildly different. This shows the fast and the better method, then points the reader to information about Ansel Adams and his "Zone System" for tonality. With real links, to other sites besides mine. Of course there are also a few links to other articles I've written on Photoshop techniques that can be used in the b/w conversion process. It's been read 8,200 times, sent much traffic - introducing a new audience to my work.
Recommended Reading for Webmasters - Giorgos is a friend, so I was happy to help, but it gave me a chance to think about seo, how running a website fits into the more general ideas about life.

Each of these is the only copy. But the vast majority of my stuff I write for my own site. Well written, selectively published articles are a good tool to have in your bag of tricks, but I don't think the same is true for general access web directories.

**Perry** · 08-30-2007, 06:51 PM

"Then those people shouldn't have web sites,"

Say what?! Um, ok. Then there would be no Askmen. There would be no iVillage. There would be no About.... And I guess MSN better stop accepting articles, then.

And how 'bout all those magazines on the shelf...should they stop printing their magazines?

I don't know, maybe we are talking about different things here???

"but the links won't do you any good from a traffic or seo perspective."

It does a lot of good in getting traffic, when it is from all the sites combined.

But for me, and a lot of writers out there, we don't care that much about SEO. It is overrated. We care more about the sites' visitors.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

**ForrestCroce** · 08-30-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry

"Then those people shouldn't have web sites,"

Say what?! Um, ok. Then there would be no Askmen. There would be no iVillage. There would be no About.... And I guess MSN better stop accepting articles, then.

Ask and About are Wikipedia clones, only with advertising. There would be no loss to the public or the internet as a whole if they vanished overnight.

You said plenty of web site owners don't have the expertise to be able to write an article on whatever subject their site is dedicated to; in that narrow case I'm really not sure how you could object to the idea that these people find something better to do with their time, and a way to utilize whatever talents they might have.

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Originally Posted by Perry

And how 'bout all those magazines on the shelf...should they stop printing their magazines?

Bad analogy. I read The Economist, National Geographic, The Christian Science Monitor ... unlike made-for-adsense splogs, these are publications that know what they're writing about, and are worth reading.

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Originally Posted by Perry

"but the links won't do you any good from a traffic or seo perspective."

It does a lot of good in getting traffic, when it is from all the sites combined.

But for me, and a lot of writers out there, we don't care that much about SEO. It is overrated. We care more about the sites' visitors.

Well if you had read the message I wrote instead of scanning for things to be offended by, it seemed at first like we agreed more than we disagreed on the subject. That doesn't seem to be the case, though, if you can't see the difference between credible magazines that generate their own content and site printing whatever nonsense a stranger on the internet types...?

So, again, you're replying to a part of my post where I'm talking specifically about splogs and article bins, writing articles that will never be read by any human except the one who clicks the "publish" button.

**freelancevote** · 08-31-2007, 12:01 AM

Hey ForrestCroce,

Why did you consider my posting on the viral marketing website "affiliate spam". All I said was that if somebody wanted to signup through my link they could but I also gave the link to the main website. I would not classify a "100% free website" as an affiliate program. If you consider referring somebody to a free link that is related to the thread as spam then you should delete the thread that started the discussions that you are replying to.

**Perry** · 12:51 AM

"Ask and About are Wikipedia clones, only with advertising."

Wikipedia publishes an array of articles coming in on a daily basis?

"There would be no loss to the public or the internet as a whole if they vanished overnight."

I agree. But they are here now, and millions of users go to such sites.

"I'm really not sure how you could object to the idea that these people find something better to do with their time, and a way to utilize whatever talents they might have."

Please point to where I said that.

"Bad analogy. I read The Economist, National Geographic, The Christian Science Monitor ... unlike made-for-adsense splogs, these are publications that know what they're writing about, and are worth reading."

Yup. And I read such magazines, also. So does that mean ALL magazines are like this? Look at Stuff, Maxim, Cosmo, RedBook... Should these mags be taken off? Nope, and their subscription is very high.

"Well if you had read the message I wrote instead of scanning for things to be offended by"

Offended? Uh, ok.

"That doesn't seem to be the case, though, if you can't see the difference between credible magazines that generate their own content and site printing whatever nonsense a stranger on the internet types...?"

I can see the difference. That is a no brainer. The subscrition base is still high, nevertheless.

**Learning Newbie** · 08-31-2007, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry

Wikipedia publishes an array of articles coming in on a daily basis?

Duh.

You're a master of the obvious, aren't you?

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Welcome to Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

1,984,073 articles in English

**Perry** · 06:50 PM

lol. poor baby doesn't like the posts.

I never poked around in the site, asswhistle.

You don't like what I post, don't read them.

**gringo** · 08-31-2007, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Perry

You don't like what I post, don't read them.

Maybe I'm being a bit dense Perry, but how can anyone know whether they like your post until they read it?

**ForrestCroce** · 08-31-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by freelancevote

Hey ForrestCroce,

Why did you consider my posting on the viral marketing website "affiliate spam". All I said was that if somebody wanted to signup through my link they could but I also gave the link to the main website.

The link you gave was http:// www. freeviral .com/?r=165690, which is identical to the site without the referral ID. The only reason to put your account ID in there - and I verified that's what the number represents before deleting the post - is because you're getting paid to send referrals.

In a different post, you wrote also dropped a link to the same web site. Please see the forum rules on link drops, affiliate schemes - and requiring people to put advertising on their web site without being paid for it is an affiliate pyramid scheme - and the like:

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