Tycoon Talk
Become a Big fish!
The number 1 forum for online business!
Post topics, ask questions, share your knowledge.
Tycoon Talk is part of Freelancer.com - find skilled workers online at a fraction of the cost.

Liability & Legality


You are currently viewing our Liability & Legality as a guest. Please register to participate.
Login



Reply
Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
Old 05-07-2010, 01:18 PM Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
I have a few basic copyright questions about selling products online for a new website I made. I am a custom cushion manufacturer and I started making Martha Stewart replacement cushions for several sets of furniture set you would get at Home Depot or Walmart that ide been asked to make replacements for. I have had my website up for a few months now and got a call from Martha Stewarts legal team telling me I have to take the site down. To clear a few things up we do not say we are affiliated with Martha Stewart and our cushions are slightly different, which we specify. So what I am getting to is what I would need to do in order for this to be a legal set of products and webpage (disclaimers etc.) or anything else I should know regarding this and wording of my product titles. Thank you!
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
 
Register now for full access!
Old 05-07-2010, 01:35 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
Ive been looking all over google, I thought I would run into more websites with this info but the only one I found that has a phone number has the phone off the hook or something.

can anyone point me in some kind of direction?
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 01:47 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
ThailandForum's Avatar
King Spam Talker

Posts: 1,415
Name: Sir Richard Cranium
Location: Bangkok Thailand
Trades: 0
It comes down to how your site is worded, from your op it sounds like you are making cushions for them, to later on on the page and putting in a tiny disclaimer is not going to appease them.
__________________

ThailandForum is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit ThailandForum's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 01:54 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
The thing is they dont offer replacement cushions for any of their patio sets so im not really stealing any business from them. And I make my cushions a different way than them. They did end up telling me to put a trademark symbol at the end of the furniture set for now until everything is settled but now it just seems like they are bluffing. Like would it be illegal to make lets say Martha Stewart replacement cushions and use the name "Martha Stewart replacement cushions" or is that illegal as it is?
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:06 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
ThailandForum's Avatar
King Spam Talker

Posts: 1,415
Name: Sir Richard Cranium
Location: Bangkok Thailand
Trades: 0
They are not martha stewart replacement cushions though, they are your replacement cushions, to try and pretend they are marthas is an infringement, it all comes down to how you word it, if you say they will fit marthas stuff etc then that again is different.
__________________

ThailandForum is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit ThailandForum's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:11 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
K I got ya, so pretty much I am just bargaining with them for a settlement of text, I thought it was more of a black or white thing that was clear cut. I guess ill just take some more hell from them until they like what I have
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:16 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
ThailandForum's Avatar
King Spam Talker

Posts: 1,415
Name: Sir Richard Cranium
Location: Bangkok Thailand
Trades: 0
Wouldn't bargain too hard, they might just serve a rite on your host and get you closed.
__________________


Last edited by ThailandForum; 05-07-2010 at 02:18 PM.. Reason: writ is the word, not rite
ThailandForum is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit ThailandForum's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:22 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
chrishirst's Avatar
Missing! presumed drunk.

Posts: 42,385
Name: Chris Hirst
Location: Blackpool. UK
Trades: 0
Quote:
Like would it be illegal to make lets say Martha Stewart replacement cushions and use the name "Martha Stewart replacement cushions" or is that illegal as it is?
Yes that would be illegal, because it is worded as if they are genuine "Martha Stewart" cushions.

"Replacement cushions for Martha StewartŪ furniture"

Would be less contentious
__________________
Chris. ->>
Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE
<<-

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
Thought for today:- Is SEO the only industry where all the cowboys are Indians?
chrishirst is online now
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit chrishirst's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:26 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
The thing is the original cushions are HORRIBLE so I dont want to sound like they are original replacements, I really just need that somewhere for SEO purposes. Any more suggestions on wording that would be accepted considering the above? Thanks!
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 02:55 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
chrishirst's Avatar
Missing! presumed drunk.

Posts: 42,385
Name: Chris Hirst
Location: Blackpool. UK
Trades: 0
Quote:
I really just need that somewhere for SEO purposes
Wrong reasons for doing anything, and as usual wildly wrong.

You are MARKETING your product as replacements.
__________________
Chris. ->>
Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE
<<-

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
Thought for today:- Is SEO the only industry where all the cowboys are Indians?
chrishirst is online now
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit chrishirst's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 03:21 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
jesus you make me feel like the anti-christ haha. I understand your just looking out for me (at least thats what im pretending ha) but truthfully why would selling replacement cushions for the furniture that isnt offered replacement cushions be so bad? The only reason I started the program is because I receive so many of these a week that I decided to look into it and see whos they were. If the site wasnt up I would still be replacing these cushions like I have been the past few years. I am just asking for suggestions guys, because they gave me semi brief guidelines about 3 weeks ago (a disclaimer and a few sentences here and there) and since I put that they have not called back, so there is ways to make it legit but I cant seem to come up with anything else
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 03:54 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
chrishirst's Avatar
Missing! presumed drunk.

Posts: 42,385
Name: Chris Hirst
Location: Blackpool. UK
Trades: 0
Not looking out for you, but this is a forum run for and populated by search marketers who have a combined experience that runs to centuries and covers hundreds of different markets.

You have to be creative to use registered trade marks to help your marketing without falling foul of the TM owners.
__________________
Chris. ->>
Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE
<<-

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
Thought for today:- Is SEO the only industry where all the cowboys are Indians?
chrishirst is online now
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit chrishirst's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 04:06 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
ThailandForum's Avatar
King Spam Talker

Posts: 1,415
Name: Sir Richard Cranium
Location: Bangkok Thailand
Trades: 0
If it can be in any way construed that your cushions are either made for or endorsed by martha then you are breaking copyright, but in the construeing you will find people read things differently, some people are stupid and some people are clever, you have to find a middle line that you can get away with.
__________________

ThailandForum is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile Visit ThailandForum's homepage!
 
Old 05-07-2010, 04:09 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
lsdjedi's Avatar
Novice Talker

Posts: 13
Trades: 0
Ya i understand.. I found this site today and almost cried when i saw there was 690 people in the PHP Forum and my old forum had like 10 people max viewing the PHP Forum lol I dont know how I didnt see this site before... But I have a lot of reading to do so ill try and stick to listening to people with 25 thousand more posts than me Thanks for the help bro
lsdjedi is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 05:00 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
Defies a Status

Posts: 1,606
Trades: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrishirst View Post
Yes that would be illegal, because it is worded as if they are genuine "Martha Stewart" cushions.

"Replacement cushions for Martha StewartŪ furniture"

Would be less contentious

Personally I think I would be a little more careful in how I worded that. Something like :

"Cushions that will fit Martha StewartŪ furniture** along with other brands."

In the footer: " This site is not associated with or in any way endorsed by the registered Trademark owner."

Anytime time you use a brand name like Martha Stewart, Nike or any other you need to be extremely careful and more than likely you will have problems anyway.
__________________
Colbyt

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE
colbyt is offline
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Old 05-07-2010, 06:03 PM Re: Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
C0ldf1re's Avatar
Banned (by the Yankees)

Posts: 3,081
Name: Michael Caine (look alike). *Sic semper tyrannis*
Location: Chelsea, England. Broke all 10 Commandments.
Trades: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThailandForum View Post
Wouldn't bargain too hard, they might just serve a rite on your host and get you closed.
Basically, the ABC company are the only people with the absolute right to say that they make or sell ABC products. They grant (implicit or implied) rights to their resellers to use the name when selling ABC goods.

The DEF company, which makes and sells similar products, may not say that they are selling ABC products when they are in fact selling their own. Nor may they call their product range "ABC2" because that is close enough to mislead the public.

Nor may they package their products so as to mislead the public. One case before the Court involved a manufacturer of cough sweets, which were sold in a distinctive red-and-white wrapping, and sold to an illiterate public. A new rival manufacturer of cough sweets packaged their product in a very similar red-and-white wrapping, even though they used their own name. Evidence was put before the Court that many illiterate people asked shopkeepers for "red-and-white cough sweets", which persuaded the Court to grant damages and an injunction.

Going back to the ABC example, ABC may have the exclusive right to label their products ABC, but they don't have the exclusive right to use the words "ABC". Someone can say, "I repair ABC products", without infringing trademark or copyright, in the same way that a newspaper may write a review of ABC products. ABC could hardly try to ban a bad newspaper review on the grounds that ABC were the only people allowed to mention their product name.

You can also make and sell add-on ancillaries. People can say, "Works with Microsoft Windows", without ever having to ask Microsoft's permission.

Comparison ads are also allowed. The new DEF company, which competes with the market-leader ABC, can publish an ad along the lines, "10 reasons why DEF is better than ABC". (It's just that they can't say "DEF is ABC", or confuse the public into buying DEF when they really intended to buy ABC.)

Lawyers, however, will bluff and bluster if paid to do so. I once ran some comparison ads, comparing my new product against the market leader. Naturally, I quickly received irate letters from their very expensive lawyers, threatening to sue. I replied along the lines, "Please do! It will be fantastic free publicity!" (Sadly, they never sued.)

However... ThailandForum has made a point valid in real life. If your ISP is threatened by expensive lawyers, how will their nerve stand up? How important are you as a customer? They may close your website to protect themselves against a perceived threat, and what can you do about that?

(Note. It is several years since I studied copyright law, which may have changed in the interim. Note also that the law differs in different jurisdictions. You may have to spend money on a local practicing lawyer if this matter is really important to you.)
__________________

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE

Please login or register to view this content. Registration is FREE
C0ldf1re is online now
Reply With Quote
View Public Profile
 
Reply     « Reply to Copyright question, urgent to keep my site up please help!
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





   
RSS Feed  Feeds: RSS   JS   XML
RSS Feed  Feeds for this forum: RSS   JS   XML



Page generated in 0.53654 seconds with 12 queries