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**IsMaR** · 09-19-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Worldwebuser

Why doesn't it count? If you knew how to make money online easily with myspace you would do so too. Its just that you don't know how to so sour grapes.

haha yeah its like, my dollar is really worth 10 cents...

**LeeD** · 09-19-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

Ask questions, help others where you have knowledge. I don't think you need to depend on those who are "big earners" to answer your questions.

Can the experience of "big earners" be helpful? sure. Can the knowledge of those who earn less due to less time in the business be just as helpful? you bet.

I think Mike is right on. I don't claim to have all the answers or even 5% of them.

This forum is great for networking with other "earners", but the level of discussion is great in all earnings groups. Certainly there are some cheesy threads, but there are also plenty of THESE threads too where people are finding answers. I see some of the users that have a good mentality, and then you have some whiners. I know when I first got started, I never complained about not finding quality discussions on any of the multiple webmaster related boards I spent time on (hours each day). I just got in there and found what I needed and met those I wanted to meet.

**Bookworm-SEO** · 09-25-2006, 07:27 PM

Fair enough, but it's not true to pretend that
(i) the big earners don't generally have more advanced knowledge,
(ii) learning from them hasn't been a big draw for many of the members who've joined.
It can only reinforce the forum to have them participate more.

**NBF** · 09-25-2006, 07:49 PM

99% of the people who aren't making big money on this forum are doing so because of THEM, and not their business model. There are 74812536985642 ways to make money in this world, but you could give someone an already-earning site and they *still* wouldn't make the money that a top earner would (and hint: it has nothing to do with what they know).

I don't mean to get all philosophical on everyone, but it takes waaaaaay more than learning what the big earners are doing to get on top. Once you hit a certain point of knowledge (and I would argue that most regulars here are at that point), there isn't some magical key you are missing, and once that big earner shares it, you are off to the races... Of course, I do understand what it's like to feel that way, and as such, I can't blame you for not feeling like the big earners are making the site worthwhile.

So if you aren't making the money that you want to, the best thing you can do is to turn off the computer, sit back, and think about what it is about YOU that is holding you back.

Have any of you actually *studied* successful entrepreneurs and how they got where they are? That's one thing that could change the course of your business forever...

Oh, and for those wondering why big earners would share... You get what you give. The fact that MOST people won't get their business off the ground means that you are ideas are pretty safe anyway. But regardless, sharing what you have learned once you have reached a certain level of success (no matter how low) is just the right thing to do.

Laura

**MonkeyBiz** · 09-25-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NBF

99% of the people who aren't making big money on this forum are doing so because of THEM, and not their business model. There are 74812536985642 ways to make money in this world, but you could give someone an already-earning site and they *still* wouldn't make the money that a top earner would (and hint: it has nothing to do with what they know).

I don't mean to get all philosophical on everyone, but it takes waaaaaay more than learning what the big earners are doing to get on top. Once you hit a certain point of knowledge (and I would argue that most regulars here are at that point), there isn't some magical key you are missing, and once that big earner shares it, you are off to the races... Of course, I do understand what it's like to feel that way, and as such, I can't blame you for not feeling like the big earners are making the site worthwhile.

So if you aren't making the money that you want to, the best thing you can do is to turn off the computer, sit back, and think about what it is about YOU that is holding you back.

Have any of you actually *studied* successful entrepreneurs and how they got where they are? That's one thing that could change the course of your business forever...

Oh, and for those wondering why big earners would share... You get what you give. The fact that MOST people won't get their business off the ground means that you are ideas are pretty safe anyway. But regardless, sharing what you have learned once you have reached a certain level of success (no matter how low) is just the right thing to do.

Laura

Agree with those points.

If you want to make money online ill break it down intop specifics:

1. If you decide to build a site, you need to pick a nich that isnt too compeitive:myspace, arcades, video games cheats ect There are too many webmaster sites for example which are quite copmpetitive.

2. Add some sort of content. Write articles, RSS, ect. Get content down.

3. Get the links. Do link exchanges or buy PR 5+ or better links. I also recommend the PR7 ones as well for $50+ a month. You NEED PR. Can;t stress this enough.

4. Update content. Add about 10 pages a day.

5. Use proper SEo such as keyword titles. And H1 tags

6. Wait about 10 months to get un-sanboxed and PR to rise

After that you should get good rankings for some kerywords and traffic. But it takes 10 months though which most people arent patient enough for. Thats one reason why a lot fail.

**A.N.Onym** · 09-26-2006, 08:08 AM

NBF, can sign under any word you said

**BamaStangGuy** · 09-26-2006, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by NBF

99% of the people who aren't making big money on this forum are doing so because of THEM, and not their business model. There are 74812536985642 ways to make money in this world, but you could give someone an already-earning site and they *still* wouldn't make the money that a top earner would (and hint: it has nothing to do with what they know).

I don't mean to get all philosophical on everyone, but it takes waaaaaay more than learning what the big earners are doing to get on top. Once you hit a certain point of knowledge (and I would argue that most regulars here are at that point), there isn't some magical key you are missing, and once that big earner shares it, you are off to the races... Of course, I do understand what it's like to feel that way, and as such, I can't blame you for not feeling like the big earners are making the site worthwhile.

So if you aren't making the money that you want to, the best thing you can do is to turn off the computer, sit back, and think about what it is about YOU that is holding you back.

Have any of you actually *studied* successful entrepreneurs and how they got where they are? That's one thing that could change the course of your business forever...

Oh, and for those wondering why big earners would share... You get what you give. The fact that MOST people won't get their business off the ground means that you are ideas are pretty safe anyway. But regardless, sharing what you have learned once you have reached a certain level of success (no matter how low) is just the right thing to do.

Laura

I agree with this 100%. Right on!

**GeorgeB** · 09-26-2006, 01:27 PM

OK well it's my job to be the voice of opposition so, I don't agree with that 100%

Thing is yeah it takes work and figuring out a few things on your own through trial and error but let's not forget that knowledge is power!

Why do you think people are able to make so much money selling ebooks? People will pay to learn true secrets that are actually worth the time to read.

I know for a FACT that if I knew half the stuff I know now 3 years ago my bar would be green instead of blue, no question.

I mean you can't really argue anything bad about wanting tips from the pros.

1) It saves time. And as we all know time is money.
2) It can keep you from making COSTLY mistakes.
3) It actually gives you a direction to go in.

So yeah I can't really buy into the whole argument that figuring it out yourself is more important than learning from a pro. But that's just me

**MonkeyBiz** · 09-26-2006, 01:43 PM

Thanks george for contributing an opposing vview. Sometimes it can get annoying and boring when everyone agrees with eachother and the same stuff gets repeated over and over.

**NBF** · 09-26-2006, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeB

I mean you can't really argue anything bad about wanting tips from the pros.

1) It saves time. And as we all know time is money.
2) It can keep you from making COSTLY mistakes.
3) It actually gives you a direction to go in.

So yeah I can't really buy into the whole argument that figuring it out yourself is more important than learning from a pro. But that's just me

Oh, see I wasn't referring to figuring out how to make money through personal reflection, I was referring to the period once you DO know that stuff (there comes a point where you have plenty of tactical knowledge and you need to start applying it sucessfully), yet you aren't seeing results. Many people here are in that phase.

Knowledge truly *is* power, but there is so much knowledge out there on making money online, so it's easy to get that - and get it fast. What the big earners have that the average EarnersForum member doesn't (not a newbie, but someone who has really taken in the info here) is NOT the business knowledge. I could give you tips about things until I am blue in the face, but those tips don't matter as much as the person to which you are giving them.

I suppose a better way to put is: All knowledge being equal across big earners and small earners, if you wiped out Lee's bank account and Joe Schmoe's bank account and sent them on their way, Lee would come out way ahead. It's not because of what Lee knows (because we are assuming that both have the same knowledge level), but it's because of OTHER factors about Lee. That's where studying other entrepreneurs comes in... It's not what these people know, but it's how they tick. And to top it off, there isn't anything Lee could give you in a tip or tutorial that could set off some special button in your brain - it doesn't generally work that way.

So my point is: If you have a good business model, and are applying it, and you are frustrated, the thing to do is NOT hunt for more business ideas. Chances are good that it's not what you are doing, but how you are doing it.

If you are going to take a page out of anyone's book, make sure it's about THEM and not what they are doing to make money. While there are cases where idiots strike it rich with a random idea (just as people win the lottery), it takes much more than a business model to make it to the top.

In fact, I would argue that a lot of people on here simply won't ever succeed online. I don't say that to discourage, but it's reality. I don't subscribe to the notion that you can be anything you want to be, because you can't. We ALL have specific strengths and weaknesses and some of us will succeed in this online stuff, and others won't. I would also bet that Joe Schmoe could be the best **** stock trader on earth (even though he totally failed online). Why? Because he is using his strengths. For me, I know I have weakness in certain places, so I make sure to fill in those blanks before problems occur. I can't be anything I want to be... I can only be me.

So yes George, I do agree with you, but we are talking about two different things really. I just wanted to point out that those who really know a lot, and keep on searching, aren't going to find what they are looking for from the big earners. If it were that simple, we would all be filthy rich.

Laura (who is fascinated by this stuff)

PS. Lee - I hope you don't mind being the example!

**MonkeyBiz** · 09-30-2006, 02:18 AM

I am the best darn stock trader on earth!