Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

blind following

CNNs blind following was busy blogging requesting resignation of Bill Bennett for having the nerve to mention that Keith Kerr was and is currently on the STEERING COMMITTEE of one of Hilary's reelection campaigns. Their blind following could not believe someone pointing out the obvious actually got his voice on the air. Actually, I was surprised myself.

The real humor came in how other news outlets reported the event, conveniently omitting the complete failure of CNN to screen the people asking questions, so long as they asked the questions CNN wanted aired. Can you imagine the co-chair of some steering committee to elect Guilini being flown into a Democratic primary debate, and being one of two people given a microphone to hammer Democrats on why they approve of killing innocent children prior to birth? You think the news outlets would scream then? Would that be a news worthy event?

CNN sneezing isn't any more newsworthy than my neighbor's dog barking. Seriously, from where comes this intense obsession with CNN? It's pretty common among conservatives in my experience, but I don't know a single democrat (or anyone else) who watches CNN. Sure they were relevant during the reign of Daddy Bush, but they lost their integrity and that cost them 100 % of their viewership.

Haha. Bastion no. Just a group of people with a microphone and a Camera... and good Page Rank.

Fox News is by far the best news channel. It makes me sick whenever I watch CNN because of how biased and inaccurate they are...

LOL!

I don't know whether that chart is entirely accurate or not, but it means nothing.

If you actually do your research you'll see that the Clinton administration put the nation very far into debt, and that the Bush administration is just getting the blame.

It's the way things usually work unfortunately...

Originally Posted by Nathand

I don't know whether that chart is entirely accurate or not, but it means nothing.

If you actually do your research you'll see that the Clinton administration put the nation very far into debt, and that the Bush administration is just getting the blame.

It's the way things usually work unfortunately...

You need to work for Fox "news" since you really don't know history or current events. FOX is not biased only if you are far-right and don't care about factual information.

Way off topic but good conversation. Of course the chart is accurate. Notice the rise in debt during every war we have won (WWII, Cold War, Iraq I, Iraq II (TBD)). Notice the decline in debt during peace time.

Conclusion? Successful wars cost money. Unsuccessful wars are cheap, ask JFK. I would guess there are some in the audience would say, "Obviously the answer is dont go to war". Notice the single largest ramp up being WWII.... yeh.. forget about europe and the jews. For that matter forget 9/11. Wasn't that all planned by the Bush Administration? To quote Sen. Hillary Clinton, "That would truly require the suspension of disbelief". Gives "Blind follower" new meaning.

What is REALLY amazing about that graph, is that Bill Clinton presided over possibly the must economically successful periods in American history as the Internet bubble boosted our economy and produced only the mediocre decline in debt seen on the chart. Mind you this is a time when every sector of our economy was booming, and the Nasdaq crossed 5000. We are still only slightly more than half of that after Bush inherited the economic bust that followed the bankrupt and artificial boom which brought it all the way back down to 1200.

On topic, sorry to cap so heavily on CNN. I meant to lump ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and yes.. Fox News into the same category of suckage (though admittedly Fox sucks far less than the rest, as ratings will indicate). Cspan.. thats where the news is happening. Mindless hours of unmanned camera from the legislative floor. Did anyone catch the CSPAN outakes on the web? "Hello, Am I on the air? [announcer] Your on the air live .. go ahead: [Guest] Yeh, I'm really feeling the economic crunch.... I'm working two jobs trying to save up for my ***** enlargement....". Cant get that stuff on any other mainstream media outlet.

Oh forgot to point out, you put Nixon and LBJ under the Blue line... for shame.

Here's what is true about the media. When they introduce themselves on TV before a report...they mean it.

Originally Posted by Nathand

If you actually do your research you'll see that the Clinton administration put the nation very far into debt

So you're saying that by paying down the debt, Clinton raised the debt.

This is unlike any math I've ever heard of ... I'm sure you're aware of the phrase "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof." Prefacing something with "If you actually do your research" isn't extraordinary proof. Watch, let's try from another angle:

If you actually do your research, George W Bush is a Wikipedia inventor from Mars, who moved to Texas in 698 AD.

Convinced...?

Originally Posted by cbwm

On topic, sorry to cap so heavily on CNN. I meant to lump ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and yes.. Fox News into the same category of suckage (though admittedly Fox sucks far less than the rest, as ratings will indicate). Cspan.. thats where the news is happening. Mindless hours of unmanned camera from the legislative floor. Did anyone catch the CSPAN outakes on the web? "Hello, Am I on the air? [announcer] Your on the air live .. go ahead: [Guest] Yeh, I'm really feeling the economic crunch.... I'm working two jobs trying to save up for my ***** enlargement....". Cant get that stuff on any other mainstream media outlet.

Ratings doesn't mean they don't suck and it doesn't mean they aren't the most biased. Does FOX ever not say "bad Democrat, good Republican". At least on CNN they said bad everyone. Fox is the one that claimed Mark Foley was a Democrat. Where was FOX or CNN when right after Powell then Bush made WMD claims that were know to be false? Were they reporting them? No. Which station still claims that it was only a mistake when the facts are known that the Bush and Cheney outright lied? There are a couple of guys on CNN in the evening that only talk about illegal immigration every day. Sorry to burst your bubble but moderates and liberals aren't CNN freaks. We actually look for information from various sources and don't need a news station to validate our opinions.

Shows like Big Brother, Desperate Housewives, etc. all SUCK. But they are they have excellent ratings. Truth and factual information aren't determined by ratings. What is the biggest money maker for media outlets? Porn. Should we all watch porn all day because it is the big money maker?

CNN. I watch them as much as Fox, which any more is not very much. I go to the web for my news. If I want to listen to it, I listen to the station that conservatives and libertarians really hate - NPR. Yes I love NPR. I love that they actually investigate before running a long story. I love Talk of the Nation and Science Friday.

I don't think NPR was letting a chiropractor give them the "medical expert" opinion on Terry Shivo. CNN, FOX, ABC, NBC, CBS don't have critical thinking journalists.

Originally Posted by joder

Fox is the one that claimed Mark Foley was a Democrat.

That was either an outright lie, or the single most egregious moment in the history of journalism. For such a basic, easily verifiable, unquestionable fact to get past enough people to see national television would be more than enough bumbling incompetence to cost any real news outlet all its credibility.

I don't know which is more sinister. I do know Fox has never made a factual error that didn't help the party they're allied with.

Originally Posted by ForrestCroce

That was either an outright lie, or the single most egregious moment in the history of journalism. For such a basic, easily verifiable, unquestionable fact to get past enough people to see national television would be more than enough bumbling incompetence to cost any real news outlet all its credibility.

I don't know which is more sinister. I do know Fox has never made a factual error that didn't help the party they're allied with.

And here I thought CNN paying hotel and transportation for a Hillary staffer to ask loaded questions at a republican primary debate they hosted, representing him as an undecided republican was the most egregious moment in the history of journalism. Lets be honest. CNN has never made a factual error that didn't help the party they are allied with. You just don't hear as much whining about it because the majority of the mainstream media outlets lean left, making Fox stand out. The book BIAS by Bernie Goldberg is a good read, long before the era of CNN.

Originally Posted by joder

Sorry to burst your bubble but moderates and liberals aren't CNN freaks. We actually look for information from various sources and don't need a news station to validate our opinions.

Wow, touched a sore spot there. Not sure I implied that liberals are CNN freaks. In fact, I think I went so far as to say the Liberals make a large percentage of Fox's viewers. I like to think that most Americans, moderates, liberals and conservatives, are intelligent enough to look for information from various sources, whatever they may be, to form and validate their opinions. I doubt you have evidence to the contrary.

When you look at the ratings, and consider that the majority of other news outlets lean left, and consider that Fox's ratings pretty much match everyone else combined, its an indicator that people surf to see what the left and the right have to say.

Originally Posted by joder

Truth and factual information aren't determined by ratings. What is the biggest money maker for media outlets? Porn. Should we all watch porn all day because it is the big money maker?

Actually, porn is not the biggest money maker on TV. Not even close. But I do think we should all watch porn all day, or at least have it on the TV in the background. Personally, I can only watch porn for 30 seconds to 5 minutes, depending on the pornography.

To quote myself, "Fox sucks less". Note I didn't say Fox is more factual. Lets not forget that I am the one beating the "You cant trust the media" drum here. The reasons Fox sucks less are many, but ratings don't lie. Ask Google. Here is one reason. Who would you rather watch on TV.... Ainsley Airhart, or Candy Crawley. Don't lie.

News News News News News? What News?
Entertainment maybe, but News… forget about it.
Just look at Entertainment Tonight and Wolf Blitzer's The Situation Room set
and you’ll get the Picture

You wanna News then watch Jon Steward, Steven Colbert and of course Bill Maher.
At least you will get real commentary and laugh at the same time.

As to Fox, CNN and others, I define them by two words: Political Prostitutes


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Originally Posted by cbwm

Here is one reason. Who would you rather watch on TV.... Ainsley Airhart, or Candy Crawley. Don't lie.

I either have never heard them on FOX and CNN respectively or haven't put the names with the faces. As I said before, I don't watch much of either channel. If I do, it's only to grab headlines, not to have them interpret. And I don't want to see any news girls prancing around the screen.

Maybe I need to rephrase about ratings. I don't care what they are. Ratings are what people want to watch. Not what is good or factual. If anyone ever said the majority was right, they were wrong.

At least on CNN they said bad everyone.

Bull. CNN is always twisting the truth in the favor of the democratic party. They worshiped Clinton, and now all they try to do is destroy Bush.

Have you ever listened to them after a presidential speach? They always "sum up" what the president "said" twisting the truth to extreme amounts.

All they're doing is brainwashing people gullible enough to believe them, and unfortunately there are a lot of gullible people today.

Originally Posted by Nathand

Bull. CNN is always twisting the truth in the favor of the democratic party. They worshiped Clinton, and now all they try to do is destroy Bush.

Have you ever listened to them after a presidential speach? They always "sum up" what the president "said" twisting the truth to extreme amounts.

All they're doing is brainwashing people gullible enough to believe them, and unfortunately there are a lot of gullible people today.

And FOX isn't?

All they have to do is roll a tape of Bush speaking. He shows himself a fool pretty well without any help from CNN. What about when Bush lies. Are you saying they twist it into another lie?

Originally Posted by cbwm

Lets be honest. CNN has never made a factual error that didn't help the party they are allied with. Don't lie.

Yes, let's be honest. CNN has no party affiliation, unlike Fixed News. You might not be aware of the raving neo-con, Glenn Beck, who's been recognized as the "Worst Person in the World" for advocating genocide against Muslims.

OK, for the people with their heads in the sand, here's a factual error made by CNN that benefits the Republican party

Vote American: Mitt Romney

Originally Posted by Nathand

Bull. CNN is always twisting the truth in the favor of the democratic party. They worshiped Clinton, and now all they try to do is destroy Bush.

Are you talking about Gas Station Attendant Bush whom you had elected to be your President?
Because if this is the one, then I can assure you that no matter how much CNN or anyone
in this world would try, it will be virtually impossible.

The man carried this mission himself with flying colors without any help.


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