http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=7073

This got picked up by several other news outlets including Fox. You'll notice none of the others got it. Funny stuff. I'd have to be opposed to exposing the global warming movement as fraudulent. Green = BIG $$$$ right now. We should ride that gravy train a little longer before killing it off. Besides. The economy needs it.

I've never fully bought into the global warming theory myself (I believe that there's a very strong possibility that an alternate theory exists involving the Earth's rotation whereby it moves in 700-year cycles closer and further away from the sun...and no I'm not making that up, it's an actual theory).

Having said that, there are a lot of perfectly valid reasons to adopt environmental policies at home and at work, and to shrug all of them off just because of something like this doesn't make any sense either. Anyone who has ever driven through Hamilton, Ontario or who has seen the smog that exists in downtown Toronto on a summer day knows exactly what I'm talking about.

I hear you Adam. Hot summer days, and downtown Toronto, aren't something I like to mix .

Getting back to the whole Global warming thing ... I believe it IS out there, and that sure, it is causing problems, however nothing to the extent of what its being advertised. Adam, being a fellow Canadian, i'm sure you feel the same way I do when the snow hits our driveways once again, and we have to dust off the old shovel .

"Wheres global warming now" is what I've been muttering to myself every single snowstorm this year!

Coldest year on record since 2001. Anyone want to buy some carbon credits?

Global Warming is an unusual subject to me and most people don’t understand my position. I don’t have a problem believing that are world is changing, there are FACTS not theories that support this. I do however, I don have a problem with several other issues on the matter,

One, if you are going to go all out for global warming, don’t use a PRIVATE JET as your primary source of travel! ([cough] Al, Hillary, Obama [/cough])

Two, despite what popular media would have you believe it’s still a theory, and lets ask the millions of people in California who lost all power due to bill that
where passed to make a hand-full of people happy who just saw the movie The Day After Tomorrow.
I was going to say more but I have work to do.

Originally Posted by cbwm

I'd have to be opposed to exposing the global warming movement as fraudulent. Green = BIG $$$$ right now.

From a purely logical standpoint, are the people who warn that spewing unnatural waste into our atmosphere can't not have consequences and the people profiteering from climate change and growing public awareness the same? Of course they're not! The Canadians having wet dreams about making roads to new diamond mines are not the people who are concerned about reality. They're just being opportunistic with the situation.

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

Two, despite what popular media would have you believe it’s still a theory

Just like gravity!

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Just like gravity!

You mean the one that you put over your French Fries


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That's poo-TAN! As a fellow Canuck, you should know that.

So the weather channel which is notoriously inaccurate wants to rally people to sue a Nobel Prize winner. Excuse me while I laugh.

Grrr this annoys me too. One of my friends keeps saying "I think global warmings a hoax - we've been having cold weather lately". It's ridiculous - the general trend is clearly showing the Earth is heating up, and the evidence largely points that we are the cause of this (I used to subscribe to the natural cause theory too, but most experts are saying we're the cause so I'll trust them on that).

All we need now is a few years of freak weather where the US especially gets lots of snow storms and the progress that's been made will have been lost again. For the first time, a collection of Southern Baptist leaders recently all agreed that they think the world is warming up and we're the cause of it. That is major progress from the typical American view a few years ago that it was all a myth made up by liberals.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

So the weather channel which is notoriously inaccurate wants to rally people to sue a Nobel Prize winner. Excuse me while I laugh.

Al Gore a Nobel Prize winner. Excuse me while I laugh. At least the weather channel is run based on the predictions of people with meteorology degrees. What degree does Al Gore hold? The implied accusation is the Weather channel folks are a bunch of idiots powered by junk science. Of course we need to suspend those types of accusations when considering the data presented by the global warming lobby for the sake of ..... why are we doing that again? Lets be frank here. There are as many "experts" who question whether Global Warming is caused by man, as there are who say it is. It warms my heart to think the global warming fanatics may be arguing a case promoted by capitalists looking to make a buck.

Originally Posted by cbwm

There are as many "experts" who question whether Global Warming is caused by man, as there are who say it is.

That's a bald faced lie. The rest of your message is a gross distortion (global climate change doesn't make predictions? what are you smoking again?) but this part is a flat out lie.

Here's a quick breakdown of Johnson's findings:

• Inhofe's list includes 413 people. (Score one Inhofe; the math holds up.)
• 84 have either taken money from, or are connected to, fossil fuel industries, or think tanks started by those industries.
• 49 are retired
• 44 are television weathermen
• 20 are economists
• 70 have no apparent expertise in climate science
• Several supposed skeptics have publicly stated that they are very concerned about global warming, and support efforts to address it. One claims he was duped into signing the list and regrets it.

Before we get ahead of ourselves, here are some concessions and explanations:

• Taking money from companies that have an established stake in burning fossil fuels doesn't mean your science is junk, but it ought to sound alarm bells for anyone aiming for the label of "skeptic."
• Being retired doesn't mean you've lost your smarts, but it does make it harder to be considered "prominent" on a cutting-edge issue.
• Weathermen help us navigate the vagaries of weather on a local level every day, but this isn't a discipline that requires forecasting world climate conditions decades from now. (Prominent? In one sense: They are more frequently seen and heard.)
• Economists, clearly, are valuable participants in policy debates. Clearly, they aren't climate scientists.
• Finally, we could line up 59 regular people (hi Mom!) who don't have any particular expertise in climate science, but believe adamantly in it. You wouldn't care what they think.

I tend to think that at present the case is not proven
But it seems that politicians like the theory because it gives them an easy excuse to increase taxes.
Unfortunately as in most things our politicians are not capable of joined up thinking.
Take our budget earlier this week, we were told that the increasing use of cars and more air travel were to be discouraged and taxes were rasied accordingly. But in the same 45 minute speech our dear chancelor told us that it was necessary to have a third run-way at London Heathrow and a second at London Stansted, and only to-day one of the lead items in the national news was the opening of a fifth terminal at London Heathrow by the Queen.
After acting like this our politicians wonder why we are so cynical about their motives.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

That's a bald faced lie. The rest of your message is a gross distortion (global climate change doesn't make predictions? what are you smoking again?) but this part is a flat out lie.

The flaw in your logic is that you assume this list you found on a pro-global warming website are the only people who question whether Global Warming is caused by man. I know at least one University professor (Chemist), and one professional Chemist who call it an outright lie.

Granted, these scientists are not the do all end all authority, but that is just from my close circle of associates. Global warming, as presented in it's current format may be 100% on target. For those who have bought into it on the words of some "Professionals" while ignoring the words of others, I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell them, and have "Professionals" who will explain to you why I own it.


You might note your "Pro-Global Warming" site only manages to smear only 267 of the 413 people on that list alone. what about the other 146 people who say its BS. Hmmm. Science mandates we ignore them.

I know at least one University professor (Chemist), and one professional Chemist who call it an outright lie.

That increases the count by 2, which is exactly double the number who state publicaly that they were tricked into signing.

The flaw in your logic is that you assume this list you found on a pro-global warming website are the only people who question whether Global Warming is caused by man.

Absurd claims require extraordinary proof, and you can't even provide any. The closest any of you deniers will come is to say "well I don't trust those people" and "politicians are raising taxes so science has to be wrong". Deniers in this thread alone have followed several logical fallacies to the text book example.

Climate Change Deniers and Holocaust Deniers have a remarkably lot in common.

Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

Climate Change Deniers and Holocaust Deniers have a remarkably lot in common.

And that about sums it up. The global warming folk (and i'm talkin the people who have really bought into the idea that it is man made) are so convinced it is real, to deny it is like denying the holocaust. Sorry folks. The burden of proof remains on you, and so far, you have a long way to go to pass the muster.

My favorite THEORY so far is the one put forth in the movie "Day after Tommorow". It seems to better match up with the evidence presented. Chances are, an ice age is coming, and if so, it is likely inevitable. Personally, I think your money is much better spent buying ocean view property in Central America, than buying Carbon Credits. I've got some pogs to sell.. if anyone is interested.

Originally Posted by cbwm

The flaw in your logic is that you assume this list you found on a pro-global warming website are the only people who question whether Global Warming is caused by man.

There are so many you can't name a single one. Earlier, in this very thread, you told us there are an equal number of Deniers as people who don't suffer from cranial rectal syndrome, and to back this absurd claim (that's based on nothing at all) up all you can do is back peddle. Even your appologies for Bush are more intellectually honest than this.

No matter what distractions you try to pull, what you said was a lie, pure and simple.

That environmental changes, including changes in climate, are contributed to by man shouldn't be in question. Pollution, not just of carbon monoxide and dioxide but ozone, contribute to health problems in major cities daily. Acid rain has been conclusively proven, and efforts to reduce sulfur in coal and petrochemicals have cut that drastically down. But what have reductions in CFC's done for the hole in the ozone layer? Jack diddly. And what are reductions in emissions going to do for global warming? About the same. They might lower the temperatures in citles, and help drastically with health problems. But show me someone who thinks that drastic changes in climate are solely caused by man and I'll show you an idiot. Just calling people who don't buy it capital-D Deniers (equated with Holocaust Deniers, no less) suggests to me nothing less than a how-dare-you-question-me cult. People like Al Gore give real environmentalists a bad name, and I think he should stick that Nobel Prize, and his worthless book, where his head is. The whole Global Warming, capitalized that it never be questioned, has just made a sideshow of the very real issue of pollution and its more immediate dangers.

tim

suggests to me nothing less than a how-dare-you-question-me cult. People like Al Gore give real environmentalists a bad name, and I think he should stick that Nobel Prize, and his worthless book, where his head is. The whole Global Warming, capitalized that it never be questioned, has just made a sideshow of the very real issue of pollution and its more immediate dangers.

Why are you not railing against the cult of correctly reflecting European History? It seems like you must strongly support a person's right to insist Germany has never existed and still be taken seriously? All part of that relativistic "there are no objective facts" cult I presume?

Even you seem to believe that the drastic changes mankind has made are having an impact on the environment we live in. Which is exactly the same thing I'm saying.