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Old 03-17-2008, 04:56 PM Re: Separation of Church and State
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You and cbwm might want to experiment on humans, but no liberal has ever suggested that. That's purely a Republican thing, it seems.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:13 PM Re: Separation of Church and State
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You and cbwm might want to experiment on humans, but no liberal has ever suggested that. That's purely a Republican thing, it seems.
I think they think a few cells are humans.


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Of course that would be confusing. Moderates and liberals can understand conservatives but the reverse doesn't hold up.

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Old 03-17-2008, 05:28 PM Re: Separation of Church and State
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You and cbwm might want to experiment on humans, but no liberal has ever suggested that. That's purely a Republican thing, it seems.
It would sure be a way to get rid of our crowded jail system!

I believe in separation of Church and State, although I think the constant secular war on all religion and faith has got to stop somewhere - these days P.C.s (Political Correctness people) have banned all sorts of ludicrous things because they think it might offend people from differing faiths (or they just want to ban it anyway, and use this as an excuse.)

Christmas is increasingly being renamed to remove the Christ from it. They go squeamish whenever anything religious is shown on TV and are actually surpressing freedom of speech.

Separation of Church and State is one thing - wholehearted secularism is something else.
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Old 03-17-2008, 05:53 PM Re: Separation of Church and State
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It would sure be a way to get rid of our crowded jail system!
Not really. Do you have any idea how bad dentistry and medical care in general is in prison? Pick any random person living in any prison in the land, and that person has more inflammation in their body than even a lot of homeless people. We can't use prisoners for medical testing because we can't get good data out of them, if for no other reason.

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I believe in separation of Church and State, although I think the constant secular war on all religion and faith has got to stop somewhere
What secular war on religion, specifically?

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Christmas is increasingly being renamed to remove the Christ from it. They go squeamish whenever anything religious is shown on TV and are actually surpressing freedom of speech.
Who gets squeamish when something that mentions Christ is shown on television?

And could you give us some specific examples on this free speech thing? I'm not following that line at all. The last I heard about PC and free speech was complaining on how Don Imus wasn't going to get paid his $40 million for "free" speech. Also please remember that free speech means the government can't regulate what people are able to say. It doesn't mean NBC is forced to air Christian preaching.

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Separation of Church and State is one thing - wholehearted secularism is something else.
I'm not sure whether the difference is real or imagined. I want to hear about Jesus when I go to church on Sunday, but I'm not so keen on my country being run by sharia, er, scratch that, Christian Taliban notions of law.
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Old 03-18-2008, 05:51 AM Re: Separation of Church and State
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And could you give us some specific examples on this free speech thing? I'm not following that line at all. The last I heard about PC and free speech was complaining on how Don Imus wasn't going to get paid his $40 million for "free" speech. Also please remember that free speech means the government can't regulate what people are able to say. It doesn't mean NBC is forced to air Christian preaching.
At my former job we had to refer to it as "Happy Holidays." We were not supposed to say Merry Christmas because it might offend someone. Well, it offended me that I was supposed to take Christ out of my holiday to appease someone else's sensitivities. Shouldn't I have as much of a right as the next person? The Jewish don't celebrate Christmas, that's fine. I don't tell them they can't say Hanukkah.

My children are not allowed to pray in school in a manner that allows other children to know they are praying. Instead of the schools taking the opportunity to let the kids teach each other about their beliefs, they have removed all beliefs from the schools.

As far as Obama is concerned - I don't think any human can completely separate Church and State. If their church is just some social club they attend some times than they can, but anyone who goes to church to learn about God and be part of that community will have a difficult time. My beliefs and values determine most of my actions. I try my best to show love, consideration and compassion in all circumstances because it is what my religion teaches. As long as he doesn't start trying to enforce his religious views and opinions in politics I don't have a problem with his church or his religious beliefs.
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Old 03-18-2008, 07:47 AM Re: Separation of Church and State
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Not really. Do you have any idea how bad dentistry and medical care in general is in prison? Pick any random person living in any prison in the land, and that person has more inflammation in their body than even a lot of homeless people. We can't use prisoners for medical testing because we can't get good data out of them, if for no other reason.
That was meant with some sarcasm I'll have you know



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What secular war on religion, specifically?
The one that millions of people (at least in the UK) are waging every day - the USA is a very different country to the UK when it comes to faith and religion. The US is very religious generally so it probably sounds a bit absurd to you that I'm saying all this, but over here it is the truth. Church attendance is very low (under 5% or so) and with growing Muslim and other immigrant communities, P.C.s are on the march complaining that we're somehow discriminating against them for doing things we've done happily for years. The whole meaning of Christmas is getting washed away by the growing commercialism of the holiday and PCs must be loving every minute of it.



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Who gets squeamish when something that mentions Christ is shown on television?
I'm fairly sure that if PCs had their chance, they'd remove what is left of Christian broadcasting. There are very few Christian programmes on mainstream TV over here, and I've seen people calling for even these to be removed.

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And could you give us some specific examples on this free speech thing? I'm not following that line at all. The last I heard about PC and free speech was complaining on how Don Imus wasn't going to get paid his $40 million for "free" speech. Also please remember that free speech means the government can't regulate what people are able to say. It doesn't mean NBC is forced to air Christian preaching.
By having to be so "tolerant", we are suppressing freedom of speech. People can't say anything that will offend others. I'm not racist, but that doesn't mean I can't speak out against things like Islam every so often (Islam, not Muslims). You saw what happened when a Danish newspaper published a cartoon of Mohammed with a bomb - the world completely overreacted and generally sympathized with many of the Muslims. However, the majority of moderate Muslims in this country said that they believed others in other countries had completely overreacted to the situation - they don't want to remove Christianity or prevent freedom of speech, but the PC crowd do seem to want to.



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I'm not sure whether the difference is real or imagined. I want to hear about Jesus when I go to church on Sunday, but I'm not so keen on my country being run by sharia, er, scratch that, Christian Taliban notions of law.
I don't want people to be forced to believe in my value system either - I think people should have the freedom and education to decide for themselves. The Political Correct brigade of this world seem to be cramming their beliefs and values down my throat though - that doesn't seem fair.

I repeat - this situation probably isn't as bad in the USA. The US has a much larger Christian following and so it's probably only mild over there. However, over here political correct idiots are constantly fighting against religion, predominantly Christianity, and seeming to win.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:23 AM Re: Separation of Church and State
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You and cbwm might want to experiment on humans, but no liberal has ever suggested that. That's purely a Republican thing, it seems.
I was joking; I don’t really think they should experiment on humans, I might have conservative views but I’m not a Nazi.
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