I'll agree with Cb on dems having a foreign policy disadvantage. I don't remember where I saw the study but I guess there is a huge shift going on in the demographics of our elected officials military service.

I think to make up for the foreign policy thing dems tend to nominate veterans more so than the republicans, where the opposite used to be true. A lot of republicans in office nowadays are 'old money' and have never served, or have had children that have served.

Explains why people like Wes Clark and Jim Webb are so well respected in the dem party.

Ummm...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002...ghanistan.usa1
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020812/story.html

Bush = warmongerer anyway. He couldn't wait to find an acceptable excuse to go and attack some non-Christians.

Last chance - this thread is discussion promesuity in the heartland + Bible belt.

IT IS NOT discussing warmongering or foreign policy.

PLEASE RESPECT the thread topic and do not hijack the thread.

Originally Posted by KML9870

Last chance - this thread is discussion promesuity in the heartland + Bible belt.

IT IS NOT discussing warmongering or foreign policy.

PLEASE RESPECT the thread topic and do not hijack the thread.

Sorry Kandi - I'll keep my thoughts about that out of this thread from now on

As a person who claims to be a Christian and lives in the south I will try and reply to the original question.

You are right in saying that not only the south but Christians as a whole has a higher divorce rate then non-Christians, I think this is true for a variety of reasons which I don’t think are important. I think the real issue is sin is every where, not just the south and not just by Christians, if you want to look at reasonable graphs that shows actual data (not data taken from a drug addict criminal rap artist) then you will see that each region has its own problems. And if you look at closer data concerning the south, you will see that the majority of crime is not being committed by white male preachers, the majority of crime committed in the south is by minority liberal voters (if you think I’m wrong call me out, but I don’t think you will be able to find data to prove your case).

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

And if you look at closer data concerning the south, you will see that the majority of crime is not being committed by white male preachers, the majority of crime committed in the south is by minority liberal voters (if you think I’m wrong call me out, but I don’t think you will be able to find data to prove your case).

I would be interested in seeing the data. Do you have a source?

I should mention before I go any further that I am in no way or nor have I ever been racist. I am only bringing to light what certain liberals do not want you to know. They want to say that these southern states are full of crime and they are the ones who claim to be the Bible belt, I am showing a different light.

here is another source to look at http://www.io.com/~velte/cop-poll.htm

Interesting that I have never heard anyone dispute the fact that most murders were committed by black males. That is a conservative spin. There is also the fact that most of those murders are committed against black males.

The difference between conservative and liberals on murder rates is not who is committing them but why and what to do about it.

I personally don’t know why, or what is the best thing to do about it. All I know is that it is not a bunch of white male Christians going around committing crimes in the south. Which is how this thread was started.

I don't see where John said white christian males were committing crimes. Promiscuity is not a crime (well it probably is in some states but not enforced). What I see was the issue raised is that what christians say are moral values are very often disregarded in states that are the bible belt.

Originally Posted by joder

I don't see where John said white christian males were committing crimes. Promiscuity is not a crime (well it probably is in some states but not enforced). What I see was the issue raised is that what christians say are moral values are very often disregarded in states that are the bible belt.

Sorry Cat, but the problem with your evidence, is the same problem John has with how he started this thread.

Black Democrats are every bit as Christian as white Republicans. The correlation between states that vote Republican(have we even established that?) with hookers and blacks with crime still doesn't connect the dots between blacks and hookers(immorality) or Republicans with hookers. Perhaps John would be so good as to start us off with something that really authoritavely connects the dots all the way from Christian Repulicans to Immorality, in a widespread maner, and then you can waste your time presenting counter arguments. Obviously the few examples he sited of immorality with Republicans left out the countless Democrats including Jim McGreevey, Ted Kennedy, JFK, and Bill Clinton, just writing without additional research.

By the way, this whole thread belongs in my "Debunk the Bush Bashers" thread, because it bears the same type of BS flimsy evidence. The best you will get is immorality on behalf of both parties. Thats because Humans are basically monkeys, regardless of political afflilation. We sh*t, p*ss, jack off, mate like monkeys, and, on occassion, fling our own feces.

Originally Posted by cbwm

The best you will get is immorality on behalf of both parties. Thats because Humans are basically monkeys, regardless of political afflilation. We sh*t, p*ss, jack off, mate like monkeys, and, on occassion, fling our own feces.

Some people don't necessarily consider sex outside of marriage as immoral. The difference, as I see it, is many Republicans are outspoken on the issue of sex. For example, they think marriage must be between a man and a woman. It's conservative politicians who call homosexuals immoral.

Originally Posted by joder

Some people don't necessarily consider sex outside of marriage as immoral. The difference, as I see it, is many Republicans are outspoken on the issue of sex. For example, they think marriage must be between a man and a woman. It's conservative politicians who call homosexuals immoral.

While it could be said a Christian Democrat has a different value system than a Christian Republican, most Christian churches I know still repudiate Fornication and Adultry because the bible does. I'll give on the point that some Christian churches now allow some room for homosexuality, even though the bible does not. It seems Obama's church repudiates America and white people(unless they are self loathing), so it just goes to show you, not all Christian churches preach the same message. I still have yet to see the line connecting Republicans to Immorality in a bigger way than Democrats.

Originally Posted by cbwm

I'll give on the point that some Christian churches now allow some room for homosexuality, even though the bible does not.

There are many Christians that don't take the Bible literally. If you take it literally, homosexuals, along with others that commit other "sins", are supposed to be stoned.

Originally Posted by joder

There are many Christians that don't take the Bible literally. If you take it literally, homosexuals, along with others that commit other "sins", are supposed to be stoned.

Obviously it is what is considered a sin that is under debate. Obviously we don't stone people anymore. The question is, do Republican Christians consider different things "sins" than Democrat Christians. Still waiting for the evidence.